jaques Posted May 30, 2012 Share #1 Posted May 30, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Interesting news- not sure what to make of it? Mirrorless Rumors | Blog | Fuji president: We didn't want to buy Leica, but we wanted Olympus...and are ready to fight Alzheimer! I predict Fuji will have M mount Solution at Photokina... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 Hi jaques, Take a look here Fuji considered buying Leica- decided not too.... I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
mjh Posted May 30, 2012 Share #2 Posted May 30, 2012 I predict Fuji will have M mount Solution at Photokina... What’s there to predict? The M adapter for the X-Pro1 was announced some time ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted May 30, 2012 Share #3 Posted May 30, 2012 You beat me to it Michael. Fujifilm releases M-mount adapter for its X-Pro 1 - British Journal of Photography Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted May 30, 2012 Share #4 Posted May 30, 2012 I understand that the adapter will be 'intelligent' i.e. it will contain electronics that reads the coding so that the camera can use proper frames and finder magnification. But the Achilles' heel is still there – no focus peaking or any other electronic focus confirmation. So manual focusing will be either very slow, or very haphazard. What a pity. Sooner or later Fujifilm will probably get their act together (revised ergonomics would be part of that because as of now, the X100 is better in that respect) and then ... Because the X-Pro 1 has the makings of a great camera. The old man from the Kodachrome Age Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 30, 2012 Share #5 Posted May 30, 2012 Rumors site - <shrug> They even got the rumors wrong - nobody thinks Leica will go for Sony as a sensor supplier for their M and S upgrades. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted May 30, 2012 Share #6 Posted May 30, 2012 I understand that the adapter will be 'intelligent' i.e. it will contain electronics that reads the coding so that the camera can use proper frames and finder magnification. No, it doesn’t read the coding. You can store correction parameters for a couple of lenses and switch between those setting by the touch of a button on the adapter. But it’s still manual lens selection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted May 30, 2012 Author Share #7 Posted May 30, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) as lars is ever ready to point out- they M adaptor is not quite it yet- but it is definitely a signpost of a direction Fuji is traveling... and I guess I was thinking Full Frame M (is it a real M solution if it isn't Full Frame?). and as for the rumour bit- the story that Fuji considered purchasing Leica comes from an Interview with the CEO of Fuji... it's not a rumor. The only rumor started here was by me: 'an M/Fuji solution on the horizon'... As for my predictive abilities: I predicted (on this forum) the MM would be an M9 in Black Chrome- and last year I predicted an Earthquake in my city- so my track record is there for all to see and in defense of the rumour sites didn't one of them pretty much predict the entire Berlin offerings with some accuracy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted May 30, 2012 Share #8 Posted May 30, 2012 I guess I was thinking Full Frame M (is it a real M solution if it isn't Full Frame?). You mean Fuji introducing an M-compatible camera? Why would they? It won’t happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil U Posted May 30, 2012 Share #9 Posted May 30, 2012 Rumors site - <shrug> To be fair Leica Rumours predicted the MM release for which they were pretty much universally scoffed at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted May 30, 2012 Share #10 Posted May 30, 2012 To be fair Leica Rumours predicted the MM release for which they were pretty much universally scoffed at. They didn’t so much predict the MM and the new Summicron; someone told them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil U Posted May 30, 2012 Share #11 Posted May 30, 2012 They didn’t so much predict the MM and the new Summicron; someone told them. Well yes, obviously - they even said as much when they put the "rumour" on their site. The point is that the "rumour" was true and most (nearly all) people were responding with a similar "rumours <shrug>" dismissal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted May 30, 2012 Author Share #12 Posted May 30, 2012 You mean Fuji introducing an M-compatible camera? Why would they? It won’t happen. you have such assurance... but I ask why wouldn't they? Have you read all the forums out there? Have you seen how many people want such a camera and cannot afford a Leica? Fuji obviously has: hence x-100, x-pro-1 and m- adapter. There are maybe half a million camera nerds out there who would like nothing more than to buy an M compatible camera- that works as well- or better than the Leica option- for a fraction of the price. I would say for every M9 owner there are at least 10 who lust after it but cannot afford/justify it- and who will never be willing/able to pay the Leica price... it seems clear to me Leica will not cater to these people in the future and will become increasingly (prohibitively) expensive. I predict someone else will- and Fuji seems the Leikley candidate these days. I also predict there quite a few thousand M owners who wouldn't be if there was another cheaper option available when they bought in. If another company was able to compete- and succeed in this market and capture some of those half million nerds- then those nerds will tell their nerdy friends about their new cameras- and you have the potential to grow a large new market segment... all in Japan alone... then lets go back to the main point: Why M compatible? In the days of AF, etc. What's the point in M bayonet manual lenses? The reason can be simplified into one buzz word 'RETRO'. It's the post modern answer to the technological age we find ourselves in- a love of the past and reverential nostalgia- and it's about the legacy of the past... the fact is the 20th Century moved too rapidly for humans to ever comprehend the speed of change. Technology not only became obsolete it became culturally outdated 'out of fashion' more and more rapidly to the absurd point we are now at (on forums such as this- anticipating on a monthly basis some new innovation that will revolutionise whatever the forum is about... cameras, model airplanes, cars, telephones, laptops). Following this haste a great Mountain of 'obsolete' legacy artifacts exist: from LTM and M lenses- to tube amplifiers, household appliances and cloths. These items still WORK, they still look good, they have intrinsic value. They ofttimes exude a quality that is non-existent in today's world... A 1950's fruit juicer extracts juice oftentimes better than a decent brand name 2008 model (and still works perfectly after 60 years...). An M3 with a 1950's Summicron is capable of taking a photo good enough to make any photographer immortal (who needs better IQ than that?) etc. New generations of young people are always re-discovering and feeding off this 20th Century legacy. They find their Grandpa's old Takumar lens and use it on their Canon Kiss Rebel nTi... they listen to vinyl on a tube amp, and wear 1930's dresses to parties... They restore vintage lever espresso machines... The fetishise these objects... This is the market also looking for an R solution to a problem they they didn't know existed until yesterday when they first read about R lenses... They are the ones looking to adapt all types of old glass to modern cameras. I see a market there for camera that will accept and work well with Leica M glass (and other legacy glass)- be they pure rangefinders or not (both are wanted). Actually I would say the Fuji camera is proof that Fuji also believes in this market. If they considered to buy Leica- and decided not to- and decided to buy Olympus but couldn't- then perhaps they really have some serious aims (capital) in the small high quality camera world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timd. Posted May 30, 2012 Share #13 Posted May 30, 2012 they've just introduced a lens line with the x-pro 1, the mount is m-compatible using an adapter. why would they make a camera which is only m-compatible and not able to use their own new lenses? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted May 30, 2012 Share #14 Posted May 30, 2012 Have you seen how many people want such a camera and cannot afford a Leica? Fuji obviously has: hence x-100, x-pro-1 and m- adapter. Yep, so there’s your M solution from Fuji. That’s all you will ever get: an X-Pro1 plus adapter. There are maybe half a million camera nerds out there who would like nothing more than to buy an M compatible camera- that works as well- or better than the Leica option- for a fraction of the price. People keep saying this, for all those years. But no vendor, not Carl Zeiss, not Nikon, and for all I know not Fuji either, is acting on these suggestions. For some reason they don’t see a lucrative market here and that reason could be that there isn’t. As of now, Leica owns the digital rangefinder market and I’m pretty sure we won’t see a vendor challenging their monopoly – not within the next couple of years, maybe never. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 30, 2012 Share #15 Posted May 30, 2012 To be fair Leica Rumours predicted the MM release for which they were pretty much universally scoffed at. If you predict enough you’ll inevitably be right a few times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted May 30, 2012 Share #16 Posted May 30, 2012 Leica Rumours seems to get most of the big 'stories' right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
haroldp Posted May 30, 2012 Share #17 Posted May 30, 2012 Yep, so there’s your M solution from Fuji. That’s all you will ever get: an X-Pro1 plus adapter. People keep saying this, for all those years. But no vendor, not Carl Zeiss, not Nikon, and for all I know not Fuji either, is acting on these suggestions. For some reason they don’t see a lucrative market here and that reason could be that there isn’t. As of now, Leica owns the digital rangefinder market and I’m pretty sure we won’t see a vendor challenging their monopoly – not within the next couple of years, maybe never. However, a full frame x-pro1 type mirrorless camera in their own autofocus mount, with M adapters and focus assist / peaking for manual focus lenses is not such a stretch. I would be a potential customer, where I am not for any crop sensor camera with M mount (except M-8). .... H .... H Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 30, 2012 Share #18 Posted May 30, 2012 Leica Rumours seems to get most of the big 'stories' right.They have good feeds, as opposed to these mirrorless rumors it seems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted May 30, 2012 Share #19 Posted May 30, 2012 I think it's more a case that Fuji wishes they bought Leica when they had the chance to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted May 30, 2012 Share #20 Posted May 30, 2012 However, a full frame x-pro1 type mirrorless camera in their own autofocus mount, with M adapters and focus assist / peaking for manual focus lenses is not such a stretch. Trust me: it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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