jaapv Posted May 28, 2012 Author Share #21 Â Posted May 28, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted May 28, 2012 Posted May 28, 2012 Hi jaapv, Take a look here Das Wesentliche. Does the phrase make sense?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
andym911 Posted May 28, 2012 Share #22 Â Posted May 28, 2012 the funny thing is that we all know that the content of our photographs will not change whether we use a m8 m9m m9m or a kodax box brownie..... Â but we tend to think it will even though we know it won't .... Â do whatever oils your cogs...its part of living. Â best +andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALD Posted May 28, 2012 Share #23 Â Posted May 28, 2012 Jaap as far as the essential is concerned with regards to the R series what is the general opinion on the R6? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted May 28, 2012 Share #24 Â Posted May 28, 2012 Talking with oneself has been shown in several studies to mask the symptoms of GAS, sometimes to the point that the person actually believes that the syndrome does not apply. A common approach, for advanced practitioners, is to convince oneself that the desire for more (or different) is actually a desire for less. Â Forums have a way of documenting the progress of patients. This one was predictable long ago when it was said that the M9 would be sufficient for many, many years. Â September is just around the corner. Â Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 28, 2012 Author Share #25  Posted May 28, 2012 the funny thing is that we all know that the content of our photographs will not change whether we use a m8 m9m m9m or a kodax box brownie..... but we tend to think it will even though we know it won't ....  do whatever oils your cogs...its part of living.  best +andy Hmmm... my photography has progressed in leaps and bounds since going M8 six years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 28, 2012 Author Share #26  Posted May 28, 2012 Talking with oneself has been shown in several studies to mask the symptoms of GAS, sometimes to the point that the person actually believes that the syndrome does not apply. A common approach, for advanced practitioners, is to convince oneself that the desire for more (or different) is actually a desire for less. Forums have a way of documenting the progress of patients. This one was predictable long ago when it was said that the M9 would be sufficient for many, many years.  September is just around the corner.  Jeff Of course it is GAS, but I have never regretted these purchases, nor have I ever sold anything from regret. Want does not need to switch off the brain. You should see the number of things I did not purchase upon reflection... The M10 will have to bring some very unsuspected things to the party to enter my stable. You may quote me in October. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted May 28, 2012 Share #27 Â Posted May 28, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Of course it is GAS, but I have never regretted these purchases, nor have I ever sold anything from regret. Want does not need to switch off the brain. You should see the number of things I did not purchase upon reflection...The M10 will have to bring some very unsuspected things to the party to enter my stable. You may quote me in October. Â Â I hope the M10 does have some very unsuspected things and trust Leica can surprise us again positively! That would be great! I would love to have a single Leica FF camera for M- and R-lenses. Why not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 28, 2012 Author Share #28 Â Posted May 28, 2012 Actually a good APS sensor would be fine with me. 7500 Euro is not worth it. I would throw the towel and get a used 5D and an adapter. Or wait for a Japanese offering that meets my needs ( more likely.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym911 Posted May 28, 2012 Share #29 Â Posted May 28, 2012 Hmmm... my photography has progressed in leaps and bounds since going M8 six years ago. Â i doubt it...not knocking your photography at all as I follow it regularly and admire some of your stuff. But I think you are kidding yourself . Â best regards andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 28, 2012 Share #30  Posted May 28, 2012 Ever tried the Coué method? "The M10 is not for me" - "The M10 is not for me" - "The M10 is not for me" ... Repeating this a thousand times should suffice to order the MM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted May 28, 2012 Share #31  Posted May 28, 2012 It's totally GAS, Jaap. All of us who suffer recognize the symptoms  Your M8 was your first RF digital no? Or did you own an Epson?  So I think your photography improved then because the M8 (and DMR come to that) are such harsh mistresses, but they pay off the effort, for sure.  But if you want to improve your photography, I'd spend a fraction of what you'll spend on an MM and pay someone who can teach you something to, um, teach you something.  I always put a large fraction of my yearly expenses into training. This year, it's Greg Gorman (who is coming to Toronto) and a workshop overseas; not sure whose yet.  These have *always* been better investments for me than gear. But don't get me wrong, I understand that gear can equal inspiration. Just don't kid yourself that it's anything other than that, and will give way to more gear, ultimately, more than better pictures.  So if it's about return on investment, invest in yourself. Even if you don't want to be taught at this point, go somewhere other than Africa; stretch yourself. Do something different than you have before. You can do a lot of different things for the price of an MM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted May 28, 2012 Share #32 Â Posted May 28, 2012 Of course it is GAS, but I have never regretted these purchases, nor have I ever sold anything from regret. Want does not need to switch off the brain. You should see the number of things I did not purchase upon reflection... The M10 will have to bring some very unsuspected things to the party to enter my stable. You may quote me in October. Â Â No doubt the price alone will suffice to meet your criteria! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted May 28, 2012 Share #33 Â Posted May 28, 2012 Yup, visit the Americas! Or Asia, Australia, New Zealand, Oceania. Patagonia or the US SouthWest can be quite captivating! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 28, 2012 Author Share #34  Posted May 28, 2012 Not going to Africa would sure save a lot of money, It appears to be the most expensive destination on the planet But still so many challenges there. No contest about training, the limiting factor is time for me - I need continuous professional postgrad training as well...Hobby comes second. It's totally GAS, Jaap. All of us who suffer recognize the symptoms  Your M8 was your first RF digital no? Or did you own an Epson?  So I think your photography improved then because the M8 (and DMR come to that) are such harsh mistresses, but they pay off the effort, for sure.  But if you want to improve your photography, I'd spend a fraction of what you'll spend on an MM and pay someone who can teach you something to, um, teach you something.  I always put a large fraction of my yearly expenses into training. This year, it's Greg Gorman (who is coming to Toronto) and a workshop overseas; not sure whose yet.  These have *always* been better investments for me than gear. But don't get me wrong, I understand that gear can equal inspiration. Just don't kid yourself that it's anything other than that, and will give way to more gear, ultimately, more than better pictures.  So if it's about return on investment, invest in yourself. Even if you don't want to be taught at this point, go somewhere other than Africa; stretch yourself. Do something different than you have before. You can do a lot of different things for the price of an MM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted May 28, 2012 Share #35  Posted May 28, 2012 Jaap, diese Kamera ist nicht wesentlich, wenn sie keine Auswirkung auf das Wesentliche Ihrer Fotografie hat, weil in diesem Fall wäre es nur Konsumismus. I don't remember the last time I've written a sentence in German, but I couldn't resist it.  —Mitch/Pak Nam Pran Pak Nam Pran Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted May 28, 2012 Share #36 Â Posted May 28, 2012 Of course it is GAS, but I have never regretted these purchases, nor have I ever sold anything from regret. Want does not need to switch off the brain. You should see the number of things I did not purchase upon reflection... The M10 will have to bring some very unsuspected things to the party to enter my stable. You may quote me in October. Â No need to defend; just poking some fun. If you kept your inner thoughts more private, and stopped making definitive statements about the future, it wouldn't be so easy for us. Â Of course we don't know what would be 'unsuspected' for you regarding the M10, so you're covered there, too. (More fun.) Â More seriously, it's just pleasure photography, not life and death. So whatever makes you happy (without hurting someone else...spouse?) is just fine. Logically, you could use the M9 for your b/w project needs. Or even dedicate your M8 to only b/w work. But if the MM gets you excited, then so be it; logic doesn't matter. And if that decision inspires you to seek out other subject matter, and travels or learning experiences as Jamie suggests, then even better. Â Lest you think I'm immune to the syndrome, despite my satisfaction with the M8.2, the chrome M9-P almost looks too nice to resist. There is no logic there either. Maybe I'll get lucky and the M10 will look as nice but have some features that would allow me to give up thoughts of the 5DIII for bad weather and tele needs. Â Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellie Posted May 28, 2012 Share #37 Â Posted May 28, 2012 About "Das Wesentliche" I think there's a connection between the release of the MM and the image Leica wants to give; looking at the videos of opening of new Leica stores the walls are lined with B&W photos, perhaps mostly from film and I'm not sure if there are any converted M8/9 images there? The MM seems to be more pure and unfiltered B&W and I expect MM photos will soon be there too.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted May 28, 2012 Share #38 Â Posted May 28, 2012 Jaap is there any reason for you not changing to the S system instead? Â Exactly my thoughts too. Since if you get the MM you will eventually get the 50AA and that's half way towards an S2 body. Or wait for the S3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 28, 2012 Author Share #39 Â Posted May 28, 2012 As I said lenses too short, camera and money too heavy . I have no problem resisting the 50 AA either, even if it were considerably less expensive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted May 28, 2012 Share #40 Â Posted May 28, 2012 Douglas Adams had one of his figures invent a support decision software. In contrast to all other products, you first entered the desired outcome and the software produced a bullet-proof reasoning which inevitably led to the desired outcome. The army was said to be the first customer for this product. Â If only .. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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