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the funny thing is that we all know that the content of our photographs will not change whether we use a m8 m9m m9m or a kodax box brownie.....

 

but we tend to think it will even though we know it won't ....

 

do whatever oils your cogs...its part of living.

 

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Talking with oneself has been shown in several studies to mask the symptoms of GAS, sometimes to the point that the person actually believes that the syndrome does not apply. A common approach, for advanced practitioners, is to convince oneself that the desire for more (or different) is actually a desire for less.

 

Forums have a way of documenting the progress of patients. This one was predictable long ago when it was said that the M9 would be sufficient for many, many years. ;):)

 

September is just around the corner.

 

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the funny thing is that we all know that the content of our photographs will not change whether we use a m8 m9m m9m or a kodax box brownie.....

 

but we tend to think it will even though we know it won't ....

 

do whatever oils your cogs...its part of living.

 

best

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Hmmm... my photography has progressed in leaps and bounds since going M8 six years ago.

:rolleyes:

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Talking with oneself has been shown in several studies to mask the symptoms of GAS, sometimes to the point that the person actually believes that the syndrome does not apply. A common approach, for advanced practitioners, is to convince oneself that the desire for more (or different) is actually a desire for less.

 

Forums have a way of documenting the progress of patients. This one was predictable long ago when it was said that the M9 would be sufficient for many, many years. ;):)

 

September is just around the corner.

 

Jeff

Of course it is GAS, but I have never regretted these purchases, nor have I ever sold anything from regret. Want does not need to switch off the brain. You should see the number of things I did not purchase upon reflection...:p The M10 will have to bring some very unsuspected things to the party to enter my stable. You may quote me in October.
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Of course it is GAS, but I have never regretted these purchases, nor have I ever sold anything from regret. Want does not need to switch off the brain. You should see the number of things I did not purchase upon reflection...:pThe M10 will have to bring some very unsuspected things to the party to enter my stable. You may quote me in October.

 

 

I hope the M10 does have some very unsuspected things and trust Leica can surprise us again positively! That would be great! I would love to have a single Leica FF camera for M- and R-lenses. Why not?

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Actually a good APS sensor would be fine with me. 7500 Euro is not worth it. I would throw the towel and get a used 5D and an adapter. Or wait for a Japanese offering that meets my needs ( more likely.)

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Hmmm... my photography has progressed in leaps and bounds since going M8 six years ago.

:rolleyes:

 

i doubt it...not knocking your photography at all as I follow it regularly and admire some of your stuff. But I think you are kidding yourself .

 

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It's totally GAS, Jaap. :) All of us who suffer recognize the symptoms :)

 

Your M8 was your first RF digital no? Or did you own an Epson?

 

So I think your photography improved then because the M8 (and DMR come to that) are such harsh mistresses, but they pay off the effort, for sure.

 

But if you want to improve your photography, I'd spend a fraction of what you'll spend on an MM and pay someone who can teach you something to, um, teach you something.

 

I always put a large fraction of my yearly expenses into training. This year, it's Greg Gorman (who is coming to Toronto) and a workshop overseas; not sure whose yet.

 

These have *always* been better investments for me than gear. But don't get me wrong, I understand that gear can equal inspiration. Just don't kid yourself that it's anything other than that, and will give way to more gear, ultimately, more than better pictures.

 

So if it's about return on investment, invest in yourself. Even if you don't want to be taught at this point, go somewhere other than Africa; stretch yourself. Do something different than you have before. You can do a lot of different things for the price of an MM.

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Of course it is GAS, but I have never regretted these purchases, nor have I ever sold anything from regret. Want does not need to switch off the brain. You should see the number of things I did not purchase upon reflection...:p The M10 will have to bring some very unsuspected things to the party to enter my stable. You may quote me in October.

 

:rolleyes::eek:;)

 

No doubt the price alone will suffice to meet your criteria!

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Not going to Africa would sure save a lot of money, It appears to be the most expensive destination on the planet ;) But still so many challenges there.

No contest about training, the limiting factor is time for me - I need continuous professional postgrad training as well...Hobby comes second.

It's totally GAS, Jaap. :) All of us who suffer recognize the symptoms :)

 

Your M8 was your first RF digital no? Or did you own an Epson?

 

So I think your photography improved then because the M8 (and DMR come to that) are such harsh mistresses, but they pay off the effort, for sure.

 

But if you want to improve your photography, I'd spend a fraction of what you'll spend on an MM and pay someone who can teach you something to, um, teach you something.

 

I always put a large fraction of my yearly expenses into training. This year, it's Greg Gorman (who is coming to Toronto) and a workshop overseas; not sure whose yet.

 

These have *always* been better investments for me than gear. But don't get me wrong, I understand that gear can equal inspiration. Just don't kid yourself that it's anything other than that, and will give way to more gear, ultimately, more than better pictures.

 

So if it's about return on investment, invest in yourself. Even if you don't want to be taught at this point, go somewhere other than Africa; stretch yourself. Do something different than you have before. You can do a lot of different things for the price of an MM.

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Jaap, diese Kamera ist nicht wesentlich, wenn sie keine Auswirkung auf das Wesentliche Ihrer Fotografie hat, weil in diesem Fall wäre es nur Konsumismus. I don't remember the last time I've written a sentence in German, but I couldn't resist it.

 

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Of course it is GAS, but I have never regretted these purchases, nor have I ever sold anything from regret. Want does not need to switch off the brain. You should see the number of things I did not purchase upon reflection...:p The M10 will have to bring some very unsuspected things to the party to enter my stable. You may quote me in October.

 

No need to defend; just poking some fun. If you kept your inner thoughts more private, and stopped making definitive statements about the future, it wouldn't be so easy for us.:)

 

Of course we don't know what would be 'unsuspected' for you regarding the M10, so you're covered there, too. (More fun.)

 

More seriously, it's just pleasure photography, not life and death. So whatever makes you happy (without hurting someone else...spouse?) is just fine. Logically, you could use the M9 for your b/w project needs. Or even dedicate your M8 to only b/w work. But if the MM gets you excited, then so be it; logic doesn't matter. And if that decision inspires you to seek out other subject matter, and travels or learning experiences as Jamie suggests, then even better.

 

Lest you think I'm immune to the syndrome, despite my satisfaction with the M8.2, the chrome M9-P almost looks too nice to resist. There is no logic there either. Maybe I'll get lucky and the M10 will look as nice but have some features that would allow me to give up thoughts of the 5DIII for bad weather and tele needs.:D

 

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About "Das Wesentliche" I think there's a connection between the release of the MM and the image Leica wants to give; looking at the videos of opening of new Leica stores the walls are lined with B&W photos, perhaps mostly from film and I'm not sure if there are any converted M8/9 images there? The MM seems to be more pure and unfiltered B&W and I expect MM photos will soon be there too..

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Jaap is there any reason for you not changing to the S system instead?

 

Exactly my thoughts too. Since if you get the MM you will eventually get the 50AA and that's half way towards an S2 body. Or wait for the S3.

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As I said lenses too short, camera and money too heavy . I have no problem resisting the 50 AA either, even if it were considerably less expensive. :)

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