adan Posted August 17, 2012 Share #181 Â Posted August 17, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hmmmm - 9/17 (or 17/9 for some) - must be introducing the M9.17 (Leica apparently didn't have time to complete a full M9.2). My wife's birthday, in any event. I wonder what she'll get m.....I mean, what I'll get her....? Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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andyedward Posted August 17, 2012 Share #182  Posted August 17, 2012 I'd rather spend the £7K the M10 will cost on travelling with the equipment I already have Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickgrafixstop Posted August 20, 2012 Share #183 Â Posted August 20, 2012 whatever it is, the product it replaces was cheaper. whatever it is, somebody here with no intention to ever buy it will find fault with the design choices. whatever it is, others will buy it just to have it and never use it to it's full potential. Â and the panasonic version will be just as good at 1/3 the price Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted August 20, 2012 Author Share #184 Â Posted August 20, 2012 If Panasonic come out with a FF rangefinder at Photokina I'd be more than a little surprised. This is one reason why I don't think the M10 will be CMOS as we know it. I would not at a be surprised if it is something very different. With the interest in rangefinders I'd want a strong patent and sufficient sustainable differentiation from the 4/3 wanna be's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlorianM Posted August 20, 2012 Share #185 Â Posted August 20, 2012 Well, the M3 was hardly a surprise.Two decades earlier... Â [ATTACH]320364[/ATTACH] Â Â Â Â For the Leica-youngsters among us, what is (was?) this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted August 21, 2012 Author Share #186 Â Posted August 21, 2012 A bit of an update on the Leica Rumours site. Leica Rumors Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted August 25, 2012 Share #187  Posted August 25, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Leica's optimal strategy based on "Leica format" is already deployed by Fuji (APS-C) format:  ¿Fujifilm X-E1? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted August 25, 2012 Share #188 Â Posted August 25, 2012 Two cameras, two prices, one mount, one system. Â We will see a M camera with electronic viewfinder, at a lower price than the classical M with optical viewfinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted August 25, 2012 Share #189  Posted August 25, 2012 Leica's optimal strategy based on "Leica format" is already deployed by Fuji (APS-C) format: ¿Fujifilm X-E1?  Nice find! If they'd just bumped the kit-lens speed up to f/2, we'd be looking at the Digilux 2 replacement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted August 26, 2012 Share #190 Â Posted August 26, 2012 Nice find! If they'd just bumped the kit-lens speed up to f/2, we'd be looking at the Digilux 2 replacement. Â The sensor is much bigger, for thin DoF, and has much better high ISO quality... so... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest snowboarder Posted August 26, 2012 Share #191  Posted August 26, 2012 Two cameras, two prices, one mount, one system. We will see a M camera with electronic viewfinder, at a lower price than the classical M with optical viewfinder.  I hope you're right! I hope the electronic M will be full frame though, it would really be quite pointless if it's a crop camera. Would be extremely hard for Leica to charge a few thousand $ for it when NEX 5 is $500... If it's a FF, I'm the first in line. I don't need and don't want a rangefinder, I need a modern FF camera for my M glass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
-ph- Posted August 26, 2012 Share #192 Â Posted August 26, 2012 I hope you're right! I hope the electronic M will be full frame though, it would really be quite pointless if it's a crop camera. Would be extremely hard for Leica to charge a few thousand $ for it when NEX 5 is $500... If it's a FF, I'm the first in line. I don't need and don't want a rangefinder, I need a modern FF camera for my M glass. Â Fully agree. After following all the discussions here in the forum, about what kind of camera would be true to the spirit of the M line, it probably is the best to have 2 different M models - one keeping the optical viewfinder and mostly hiding the electronic part from the user as the more traditional and expensive model, and one which completely goes forward, is live view only and potentially significantly cheaper as the precision viewfinder is a huge cost factor (and the main reason for a services visit). Furthermore, there would be more freedom in the design of such an M-Electronic, allowing for a smaller camera (more looking like the X2). But indeed, it would have to be FF to be really interesting - there are enough crop cameras from Sony and others already. Â Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 26, 2012 Share #193 Â Posted August 26, 2012 Why buying an M if cheaper FF cams are available at Leica's? I would not hold my breath on that. FF M, yes. APS EVIL, yes. FF EVIL, no. YMMV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted August 26, 2012 Share #194 Â Posted August 26, 2012 M10 with CMOS for better ISO at expense of Leica colors. Â Consumer grade ++ intro Leica. Use will set the hook for better stuff. Â Replacement digi R with evil VF, probably third party build. Dust off the R glass and send yours in for all need repairs now to avoid the rush. Â Expanded lens line for S system, 350 and a short zoom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted August 26, 2012 Share #195 Â Posted August 26, 2012 I'm in toyal love with the MM now ... good luck with your M/R/S or whatever - I feel this year's Photokina is already over. :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbuckley Posted August 26, 2012 Share #196 Â Posted August 26, 2012 Here's a rumor I hadn't seen before: New Leica Products at Photokina 2012 | La Vida Leica! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted August 26, 2012 Share #197 Â Posted August 26, 2012 Why buying an M if cheaper FF cams are available at Leica's? Â Why Fujifilm has those two cameras then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 26, 2012 Share #198 Â Posted August 26, 2012 Two FF cameras? Leica would have two of them already with the MM and the M10, the latter becoming an EVIL with its EVF on, and even three FF cams with the "ME" according to some rumors. This has no common sense IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted August 27, 2012 Share #199  Posted August 27, 2012 Two FF cameras? Leica would have two of them already with the MM and the M10, the latter becoming an EVIL with its EVF on, and even three FF cams with the "ME" according to some rumors. This has no common sense IMHO. As of now there are two, the M9 and the M Monochrom. If the M9 was going to be replaced by an M10 with a CMOS sensor and live-view on the one hand and a kind of ‘classic’ M (the rumoured ME) on the other, wouldn’t that make sense? I could see a market for all three models. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted August 27, 2012 Share #200  Posted August 27, 2012 As of now there are two, the M9 and the M Monochrom. If the M9 was going to be replaced by an M10 with a CMOS sensor and live-view on the one hand and a kind of ‘classic’ M (the rumoured ME) on the other, wouldn’t that make sense? I could see a market for all three models.  It makes no sense whatsoever unless the least expensive is still so expensive that the vociferous, the real users, find the price daunting and the pride-of-ownership people find the price high enough to be exclusive.  pssst! (That's a cat sound) . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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