Photokina predictions

[Wolfgang Esslinger]

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Yes i agree and it would fill the niche in my bag nicely. I dont really want to go third party with zeiss or voigtlander.

 

Oh and if summarits arent a succes why are they like all other Leica lenses still difficult to source new?

 

Summarits seem to be ready available.

 

I understand that the main reason why Summarits offer good value for comparatively low money is their modular design, in addition to moderate f-stop and focal lengths.

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[erlingmm]

Here's my guess, I got lucky last time and got three out of three

 

1. M10

2. 35 Summicron APO

3. Holding off on this for the moment

 

 

1: S3 with higher resolution

2: A new lens

3: M8P with CMOS at 3/4 the price of M9, testing the concept and technology before it comes in M10 in 2014

[Gerard]

1) CL-D (small 'system' camera with APS-H CMOS sensor)

2) M10 (with full frame CMOS)

3) V3 75mm Summilux

[Paul J]

3) V3 75mm Summilux

 

Yes please

[rosuna]

Yes please

 

 

10,000€

[luigi bertolotti]

I predict we will see #2000 on this thread before Photokina.

 

A sure bet... and WELL before...

[swamiji]

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I think Leica is happy with its 75mm offerings, and I also think that Leica sees the 28mm too close to the 24mm to add a 28mm Lux. So that's what I think won't be there.

 

What will be there, is most likely nothing I am interested in. M10 and S3 most likely, Small system camera maybe but most likely not. I don't think any new lenses, but we will see big hype about their new 50mm APO-Cron and the MM.

 

This May announcement will cost me several years camera budget as it is. So Photokina will be anticlimactic.

[Agent M10]

From Photo District News:

 

As is to be expected, no one we interviewed would say whether releasing the Leica M Monochrom this month means a new Leica M10 "color" rangerfinder might debut at the photokina show in Cologne, Germany in September.

 

"What you will definitely see is we're working on our lens line," Kaufmann said of photokina, while noting that the new Summicron-M 50mm f/2 is part of "an architecture" for Leica that photographers will see more of. "There will definitely be some improvements (to our products) and this (lens architecture) is in the pipeline. We also might be sticking to this monochrome (idea) because it makes sense."

 

Predictions? Introduction of a new lens line for the M system.

[IWC Doppel]

I get the 50 APO and new M moving close to medium format, and think a 24 and 35 supersharp f2's would compliment along with something that is longer. My guess is they will get there in the medium term, but the timing of recent Leica lenses may mean the timing is different than it would be with a blank canvas.

 

I might be pursuaded to swap my third guess the 75 lux, but recent 24's stop me

[LucisPictor]

1) CL-D (small 'system' camera with APS-H CMOS sensor)

Wishful thinking!

[manolo]

I get the 50 APO and new M moving close to medium format, and think a 24 and 35 supersharp f2's would compliment

 

this might be the right idea.

[Paul J]

I would love a new 75mm Summilux. What are the probabilities of this?

[sdai]

I would love a new 75mm Summilux. What are the probabilities of this?

 

Same here, that seems to be the only big hole in Leica's current lineup. Just don't make it APO. ;-)

[Paul J]

Same here, that seems to be the only big hole in Leica's current lineup. Just don't make it APO. ;-)

 

It would be crazy expensive but I would probably still buy an APO Lux

[Magnum Image]

That would be the Elmarit 28 asph, which is essentially part of the Summarit series.

 

Except it's not considering it's ASPH and higher build quality. The Elmarits are in their own class.

[jaapv]

I had one and I could not see any difference in build quality to the Summarits- equally good. There is this persistent myth, fed by one or two less respected web writers, that the Summarits are somehow of lesser build quality. Utter nonsense.

 

It is called Elmarit because of the lens speed. That has been a naming convention for half a century.

 

The fact that it is asph is neither here nor there. That is simply a design parameter.

[Magnum Image]

I have a Summarit and used the Elmarit for 2 months. My 75mm Summarit has broken down after 6 months of light use. Focus ring tightened and aperture ring loosened to the point it no longer clicks but spins freely. The Elmarit feels solid as a rock in every regard. Why does ASPH have nothing to do with it? If that was the case not many people would trade in their old lenses for new ones. As far as image quality...the Summarit is on par with any lens I've ever used but it most definitely not built up to the same standards of the other M lenses. Doesn't mean they are poorly built although my sample would suggest there is room for improvement.

[Magnum Image]

Your argument is price and you're right there will never be a 28 Summarit because the Elmarit fits that slot more or less. I think we got off that topic with the build quality. It would be nice to see the Summarit range expanded but as someone stated that probably won't happen because they aren't as successful as hoped.

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[jaapv]

Yes - well, we have had Summicrons and Summiluxes breaking down in this forum. To me, whan I still had the Elmarit, it looked and felt exactly like the Summarits. It would be called Summarit 28 asph if it were a 2.5 lens instead of a 2.8 one. The price puts it in the same bracket, as you note.

Asph is a technology used in the newer designs (although Leica has been using it for a century in microscope lenses and the first Noctilux was a pioneer in that regard) so the lenses with the asph designation tend to be of a more recent style, thus lenses that people upgrade to. But Leica will only use the asph technology when it is needed for the design and not to push a lens up in the hierarchy.

[wattsy]

To me, whan I still had the Elmarit, it looked and felt exactly like the Summarits.

...But Leica will only use the asph technology when it is needed for the design and not to push a lens up in the hierarchy.

 

I think you are wrong about this. The 28 Elmarit ASPH predated the Summarit range by about a year. It might be similar in spirit in the sense that it was introduced as a more affordable 'standard' lens (for the M8 crop), but it shares none of the DNA of the Summarit range. The latter are clearly built down to a (still substantial) price. The Summarits share common parts (standardised lens barrel, use shared non-optimised hoods, etc.), use simpler (slightly cruder) focussing helicoid arrangements and do feel a little looser in design and construction than the rest of the M lens range. They also use a slightly different font for the lettering which is presumably a marketing decision to keep the Summarits distinct from the 'regular' lens range. As already noted, none of the Summarit lenses uses an aspherical lens element and I do believe that the presence of one (for design reasons) would preclude such a lens from being included within the Summarit range (ie. get "pushed up the hierarchy").