chrism Posted May 18, 2012 Share #21 Â Posted May 18, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think you're all being a bit hard on the OP. Nothing wrong with enthusiasm; it's what propels us to learn all the lessons that you have suggested. Â Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Paul J Posted May 18, 2012 Share #22 Â Posted May 18, 2012 There is a myth that I really quite loathe. That the camera doesn't make any difference. It's really not true. It really can make a difference. It can make an enormous difference. Using high quality gear can take photos to another level. It did for me. I often feel the people who know this perpetuate the myth to keep people from discovering it or just purely for their ego. Gear really DOES make a difference. It can also make your job easier. Â People new to photography shouldn't have their enthusiasm dampened either. They should be encouraged to try as much as they can. Cameras can inspire. My camera inspires me. My Leica and Hasselblad make me feel a certain way. The camera I have in my hand can make me want to take photos for the sake of it. I can hold another camera an feel nothing but disgust for it which then overshadows my feelings when taking the photos. Â HOWEVER Â Not before you can *see* and learn to take photos. Not before you can find your sensitivity and learn to *feel* photos. Predict them. Not before you practice, practice, practice with what ever camera you have. Not before you get that feeling, like a surge of electricity that tells you take a photo of THAT, NOW. Not before you have a point of view. Not before you have something to say. Not before you discover light and it's different qualities. Not before you learn to *see* light and make it work like paint to tell a story and not till you make it work in a way that is unique to you and your style and you point of view. Â The problem is, it's like when people want to get fit. They want the results but don't want to put in the weeks/month/years of hard work. You can buy those bits of equipment that do all the work for you. You just stand there and the thing jiggles you about. Obviously, it doesn't work. Â Being a photographer is about taking photos. Everyday. It's about about taking a lot of bad ones too and having the vision, drive, passion and obsession to keep going for the love of it because in the beginning you're going to take a lot more bad than good. It's about hearing people say - I don't like your photo and getting on with it. Believing in your yourself and push on. Learning to take better photos. Learning to interact with people. Getting up early in the morning for the best light. Learning new techniques and lastly and most importantly experimenting. Â If photography is a wine then the camera is the grape. You can make ok wine with OK grapes. But great wine comes from great grapes. All the great grapes in the world are useless to you if you have no idea of how to make wine. If you have no idea of how good wine should taste. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Negative Posted May 19, 2012 Share #23 Â Posted May 19, 2012 Paul, I don't disagree with what you said. You're right in that a better camera can take you to a higher level, or even encourage you to do better and give you something to grow into. Conversely, a crappy camera might only take you so far. Â My point was aimed more at suggesting that the latest and greatest is the only way to learn. To use the technology as a crutch. Like you said, and I was implying... You need some groundwork first. Composition, exposure, keeping a level horizon maybe... Â Clearly this applies to today's DSLRs more with all their features, but even applies to the Ms. If you can't produce with a basic M3, an M7 or MP won't work any better for you. Likewise, an M8 or an MM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted May 19, 2012 Share #24 Â Posted May 19, 2012 I still stand by my earlier predictions that the M10 will be a truly amazing camera, it will be the one that will give Leica massive sales at least doubling the M9. It's not about volumes but revenues. Leica will continue to build intricate and complex products. The M10, M11 or any other variant will continue in this vein. They will be much sought after by some photographers, wealthy folks and collectors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted May 19, 2012 Share #25 Â Posted May 19, 2012 when I strted skateboarding I bought a cheap board- I learned my tic-tac and 360's... when I was ready I moved up a notch, got some decent urethane wheels- and started getting air... then I was good- and I needed it- got the best deck going. Had I started with the best board I probably would have broken my arm (NPK bearings are just too slick!)... Â one day I am going to see some fool walking along with an m10 and an MM- the APO 50 on one- and the noct on another- and a hermes bag over the shoulder... Luckily I am not the mugger type... People have been killed for a lot less than 35K worth of camera gear... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malvolio Posted May 22, 2012 Share #26 Â Posted May 22, 2012 Yawn. I'm happy with my M8. Some of the best photos I've taken have been on my iPhone 4S. Â How much resolution do you actually need in the end? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted May 22, 2012 Share #27  Posted May 22, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yawn. I'm happy with my M8. Some of the best photos I've taken have been on my iPhone 4S. How much resolution do you actually need in the end?  Just goes to show that he best camera you have is the camera you have with you, and the image itself is still more important than it's technical qualities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted May 22, 2012 Share #28 Â Posted May 22, 2012 When I read about Leica's announcement of the MM and 50 APO Summicron I was absolutely ecstatic. I see it as a win-win situation. Win for Leica because these 2 new products are sure to generate lots of revenue, which will keep them profitable. Win for me because I haven't the slightest interest in either one, so I'm not even a little bit tempted to break open my piggy bank. I hope to be just as ecstatic about the M10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted May 23, 2012 Share #29  Posted May 23, 2012 Yawn. I'm happy with my M8. Some of the best photos I've taken have been on my iPhone 4S. How much resolution do you actually need in the end?  Adrian, welcome to the forum.  The answer to your question is variable. In my case, a considerable amount. I nearly always enlarge to A2 size, or larger. I don't imagine my iPhone 3GS would make it. More critically, timing, low light capability and manageability leaves phonecams out of the picture for me. The worst pictures I have taken (on holiday) were with my phonecam. I would only ever treat it as a 'notetaker'. For that it is brilliant. It does demonstrate the cliche, "one picture is worth a thousand words".  There is room for multiple camera styles, but they rarely obsolete each other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamey Posted May 23, 2012 Share #30 Â Posted May 23, 2012 Hello Erl. Â Do you know anything on the Leica's M9M appearance at this weekend Digital gear show here in Melbourne. Â Ken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted May 23, 2012 Share #31  Posted May 23, 2012 Hello Erl. Do you know anything on the Leica's M9M appearance at this weekend Digital gear show here in Melbourne.  Ken.  Ken, I haven't heard if it will appear. I just remembered I've got two free tickets to that so I suppose I should check it out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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