jaapv Posted May 14, 2012 Share #21 Â Posted May 14, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) In general price jumps of 500-800 Euro. It was a lot worse in the USA as the Dollar slid down against the Euro at the same time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Phil U Posted May 14, 2012 Share #22 Â Posted May 14, 2012 Whisperings in the wind - the price differential between M9P and M10 will be comparable to all other steps in the Digital M series [...500-800 Euros price jump] Â Come the M10 I do wonder if you may be eating your words again, Jaap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 14, 2012 Share #23  Posted May 14, 2012 M8 £3000 M8.2. £4,200 M9. £4995 M9m. £6150 M10. £ ? Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 14, 2012 Share #24 Â Posted May 14, 2012 Come the M10 I do wonder if you may be eating your words again, Jaap. I hope not ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 14, 2012 Share #25  Posted May 14, 2012 M8 £3000M8.2. £4,200 M9. £4995 M9m. £6150 M10. £ ? Brian  But we have compensation!  Stilton in our local supermarket:  2006 - € 21.50 /lb 2009 - € 18.25 /lb 2012 - € € 16.50 /lb   :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted May 14, 2012 Share #26 Â Posted May 14, 2012 Judging by the increase in lens prices, the cost of the new mono m9 and 50 f2- added to leica's new boutique stores, and a camera with perhaps significantly better performance than the M9 as well as new features... sold alongside the M9... My guess is you will be lucky to get in the door with a cool 11K USD. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 14, 2012 Share #27  Posted May 14, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Let's have a sweepstake   I think the camera will be € 6950.-- I think the $ will be close to € 0.80 The USA markup will be $ 500.-- So the camera will be $ 8950.--  With a cashback/voucher programme for the M9P.  (caveat: all my own imagination) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 14, 2012 Share #28  Posted May 14, 2012 M8 £3000M8.2. £4,200 M9. £4995 M9m. £6150 M10. £ ? Brian  As an afterthought the cost of lenses has increased dramatically. I bought the m macro set at the time I got the M8 for £ 1300, now about £2800, a MATE for £1700 and a WATE for about £1600 as an early adopter.looking on the bright side the second hand value is about the same as original purchase price. I like cheese anyway jaap Just remember the pleasure we all get from the kit. Brian:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted May 14, 2012 Share #29 Â Posted May 14, 2012 It depends on what is the "M10" camera. Â If it is a classical rangefinder camera, with optical viewfinder and rangefinder mechanism, the price will be higher than that of the M9, and Jaap's estimation may be correct. Â If the so-called "M10" is a different thing... not a classical rangefinder but a different type of camera with M mount, then the price may be lower than the price of a M9. Something near of 3,000 euros. Â We have to wait until Photokina starts to know what is the plan... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted May 14, 2012 Share #30 Â Posted May 14, 2012 There is no way the M10 will be lower in price. Â I predict $10,995 + $1495 for optional EVF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted May 14, 2012 Share #31  Posted May 14, 2012 There is no way the M10 will be lower in price. I predict $10,995 + $1495 for optional EVF.  I hope you are wrong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted May 14, 2012 Share #32 Â Posted May 14, 2012 how is it leica gets away with introducing new technology at higher prices? the ipad3 has many improved features over the original ipad introduced a few years back and the nominal price hasn't changed -- meaning it has fallen against the overall cost of living. certain we can find examples in the camera world. i can understand lens prices rising, no computer chips, only glass ones and by hand manufacturing. yet they do, bless their red dot souls. i hope the m10 comes as rumored, saves me more money for a lens rather than an upgrade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted May 14, 2012 Share #33 Â Posted May 14, 2012 how is it leica gets away with introducing new technology at higher prices? the ipad3 has many improved features over the original ipad introduced a few years back and the nominal price hasn't changed -- meaning it has fallen against the overall cost of living. [...] Â There are reasons; among them are 1) the fact that over the recent years, Apple has reduced standing inventory dramatically, just-in-time (JIT) supply has improved a lot. (I can get the figures if necessary.) 2) Apple has also reduced the number of suppliers for parts to each product - they really leaned on the manufactures in a manner that reminds me of Walmart. That means lowered costs for Apple, thus more profit per unit even at modest price increases. Given its modest scale of manufacturing, I suspect that Leica cannot do the exactly the same. 3) Leica is also bound to certain German laws while Apple's products are made in China where cheap prevails, especially in terms of labor. (For now, China also has the lion's share of rare earth materials which are used in lenses, among other things.) Â Big differences. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted May 14, 2012 Share #34  Posted May 14, 2012 There is no way the M10 will be lower in price. I predict $10,995 + $1495 for optional EVF.  $8,995.00 body. $695.00 viewfinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted May 14, 2012 Share #35 Â Posted May 14, 2012 Photokina 2012: Â Imagine if you will, a M9.1 with new CCD sensor and associated electronics including LCD as the optical rangefinder M-camera line, otherwise much the same as the current M9, just up to date and improved. Â And, alongside the M9 a new M10 with a purely EVF (no rangefinder) in the same spot as the current OVF and with a M and R mount, CMOS sensor and live view and video and gps and can opener and... Probably, smaller form factor but, room for a bigger battery. Â Now, which would you choose? Both? Remember, you could pull that tired old line that, you got the M10 for your wife. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted May 14, 2012 Share #36 Â Posted May 14, 2012 Weather sealing and easier use (framing and focus) with long lenses would save me $ on the need for a complementary DSLR system. I'd gladly pay Leica for the opportunity to stay light and minimalist. Â Video has nothing to do with it for me. Â Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbuckley Posted May 14, 2012 Share #37 Â Posted May 14, 2012 A second on Jeff's point: I have no desire for video in a Leica M camera. From a business strategy standpoint, it would seem to make more sense for Leica to improve on the M9 in ways that appeal to us quirky and contrarian anachronisms, and to those like us who are curious about what a big fuss Leica has created since the introduction of the M8, than to chase the kinds of feature-focused gearheads that want the latest from Japan. There is a reason I abandoned my Nikon for an M7 a decade ago: there was a certain minimalist purity of form that was delivered by Leica. And that was before I understood what Leica lenses were all about! Â I kind of hope those who are looking for electronic anything, and also video, take to these pages the day after Photkina and declare their disappointment, and how Leica doesn't get it. Some of us will smile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted May 14, 2012 Share #38  Posted May 14, 2012 Let's have a sweepstake   I think the camera will be € 6950.--  My guess for UK is £5995. What I know for certain is that, unlike the Monochrom and (to a lesser extent) the APO 50, I will not be interested in it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted May 14, 2012 Share #39  Posted May 14, 2012 I fitted all the existing data using a double logarithmic plot and the answer is: £ 7704.96233449567 give or take a bit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyedward Posted May 14, 2012 Share #40  Posted May 14, 2012 ......and an extra £500 for the P version Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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