leicar7 Posted May 11, 2012 Share #1 Â Posted May 11, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hmmm? Â Any inkling at all for the R-user still wannabes among us from Berlin? Â This constant waiting thing is way old! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 11, 2012 Share #2 Â Posted May 11, 2012 Read between the lines Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted May 11, 2012 Share #3 Â Posted May 11, 2012 I think the message to the R users is essentially F-off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gvaliquette Posted May 11, 2012 Share #4 Â Posted May 11, 2012 I think the message to the R users is essentially F-off. Â Should the response be in kind??? Â Guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted May 11, 2012 Share #5 Â Posted May 11, 2012 Sadly, I suspect so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 11, 2012 Share #6 Â Posted May 11, 2012 I think the message to the R users is essentially F-off. wrong lines to read between Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gvaliquette Posted May 11, 2012 Share #7  Posted May 11, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) wrong lines to read between  jaapv,  Which are the right lines???  Guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 11, 2012 Share #8 Â Posted May 11, 2012 http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/customer-forum/238230-m9m-eating-my-words.html#post2065903 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyedward Posted May 11, 2012 Share #9  Posted May 11, 2012 jaapv, Which are the right lines???  Guy  Would I be correct to assume that if the M10 has liveview (via a CMOS sensor), then R lenses can be used via an adaptor? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted May 11, 2012 Share #10 Â Posted May 11, 2012 Presumably, yes. Any live view solution, whether for M or R lenses would require manual stop down. Focus wide open, then stop down manually which takes you back to where SLRs were, say, 50 years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 11, 2012 Share #11 Â Posted May 11, 2012 Not with an EVF or Liveview screen because that would have brightness compensation. You might struggle a bit with focussing because of DOF issues, but focus peaking should solve that problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted May 11, 2012 Share #12 Â Posted May 11, 2012 Yes, you can stop down quite a bit before running into focusing issues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyedward Posted May 11, 2012 Share #13 Â Posted May 11, 2012 Presumably, yes. Any live view solution, whether for M or R lenses would require manual stop down. Focus wide open, then stop down manually which takes you back to where SLRs were, say, 50 years ago. Â No probem:p!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted May 11, 2012 Share #14 Â Posted May 11, 2012 My temporary R-solution: Sony NEX-5N or NEX-7. A simple adapter works, no leitax required. I hardly ever use a lens beyond f/8. Focus peaking either works or it doesn't, depending on scene content, aperture and/or magnification used. Â Small f-numbers (large apertures) and lower or no magnification seem to work better, unless the lens is too soft at the larger apertures. But, when on a tripod, one always can use magnification. I also tend to use a magnifying glass when using the LCD screen for focusing. Â So, in my experience on a tripod, one can successfully focus, without first focusing at large aperture and then stopping down, from f/1.4 to f/4 or even f/5.6. Doing this for f/8 is pushing it somewhat. YMMV. Â When handheld, I depend on focus peaking up to about f5.6 without stopping down or magnification. It is sometimes necessary to find a high-contrast object near the intended focus point. Of course, when handheld I use the viewfinder on either camera, one built in, the other attached. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkie Posted May 12, 2012 Share #15  Posted May 12, 2012 R = Retired  LOLOLOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamey Posted May 12, 2012 Share #16  Posted May 12, 2012 More like R = REDUNDANT.  The new owners of Leica felt that the Leica R could'nt compete with Canon or Nikon so they killed it.  The M was unchallanged in the market and remain that way, what ever they produced for the Leica M they could sell irrespective how silly it is.  Now lets get back at Hassleblad after the DMR debacle, they have just about got it all to their own in the Medium format market.  So they (Solms) devolped a new medium format system to knock Hassleblad off their perch. It's strange how a small campany struggling finacially then could spend millions for the unknown.  What about the rest of the rubble (R owners) ? just tell them will will create a Solution for their predicament  Years have passed but nothing, so why.  Is it because Solms have put so much money into their (Star Ship) that if a real solution was found for us Leica R users that might undermine their over expensive Studio system, after all they were hoping that we might R-elegate our Leica R system to the garbage dump and start a-new, buying the S system. Well I don't think it's happened to their full expections. The new Leica managment could'nt loose face that they might have Stuffed up with their new wonder MF DSLR. whats the reason for Solms having to produce a Hussleblad adapter for their wonder Star Ship. Arn't the sales of the S system good enough?  Nikon have now come out with the 800E...36megs thats preety close to the MF quality for under 4,000$ thats much better then 25+ thousand dollars for a body only, and thats just the start. The Medium format could be doomed, watching a comparison between a Hussleblad and the Nikon 800 on U-Tube is that the results is so close that it must be a worry for Hussleblad.  The Leica M is also getting some competition with Sony, Fuji and the GXR etc offering much better value for your money and your M lenses.  Last, what about the future for my beloved R lenses, well I am still shooting slides, no worries there unless I am unable to buy and process my slides. For Digital, no worries either, with my Novoflex adapter on a Canon DSLR it's all rosy the future is good.  Just my thoughts for today.  Ken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted May 12, 2012 Share #17 Â Posted May 12, 2012 Even forgetting the cost of the S system, and even forgetting the just announced release of additional lenses, i suspect that very few R users would be willing to forego the lack of zoom lenses for the S system, and few would find the size and weight of such lenses satisfactory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicar7 Posted May 12, 2012 Author Share #18 Â Posted May 12, 2012 Two main impediments to R users transitioning to S: Â 1. Price of entry; S lenses aren't so bad, but the body is outrageous for hobbyists, unless exceedingly well heeled. Â 2. Size: R users want something smaller. The S wide lenses are as large as the normal and short teles. So even younger folks find that carrying 3 or 4 S lenses w/ a body is more "lugging" than carrying. And two bodies? Haven't seen that yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atournas Posted May 12, 2012 Share #19 Â Posted May 12, 2012 If I correctly recall various top Leica people's interviews and/or articles, they never said they are not working towards a digital solution for the R lens owners. Their words summarize like an EVF body with the X-line sensor and adapters for R and M lenses. What they did say, though, was that the project is still in the stage of development. Â I am intending to hold on my R lenses for a bit longer; in fact, I keep an eye open for the 21-35mm ASPH, to compensate for the expected 1.5X-factor sensor. Â Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_d Posted May 12, 2012 Share #20  Posted May 12, 2012 Hmmm? Any inkling at all for the R-user still wannabes among us from Berlin?  This constant waiting thing is way old!  I was hoping for at least an announcement of what is to come for R users. My hopes have diminished. It might be time to move on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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