iphoenix Posted March 23, 2012 Author Share #21 Posted March 23, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Just for amusement I contacted him to find out if he was with an Australian bank. His reply was that his account is with Barclays, but money paid into any Australian bank would be immediately transferred. Therefore we can assume his account is not in Australia. He also says his bottom acceptable price is A$9800, and he offered to sell it to me at that price. Interesting, no?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 23, 2012 Posted March 23, 2012 Hi iphoenix, Take a look here A mint 1958 MP by a (0) feedback seller??. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
pico Posted March 24, 2012 Share #22 Posted March 24, 2012 Bid $90,000,000 USD and the auction is guaranteed to vanish. I've done it often, It happens very quickly. No harm to you, either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twotone Posted March 25, 2012 Share #23 Posted March 25, 2012 BTW, sorry for going off topic but you can buy e-bay user names with feedback in the thousands from sites on the internet. I frequent a few hi-fi sites and there are always threads such as this one owing to the high value of some hi-fi equipment anyway there's currently a thread on one of them about a scammer who tried to buy one of those e-bay user names referred to above. Quiet frightening to be honest. Ebay Accounts For Sale - PayPal Accounts, VCC's, & VBA's - PayPal Limited & eBay Suspension Board EDIT BY JAAPV: BEWARE THIS A LINK TO A CRIMINAL AND FRAUDULENT SITE FOR ILLUSTRATIVE PURPOSES ONLY!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted March 25, 2012 Share #24 Posted March 25, 2012 this is likely the same fraudster who recently had another rare leica for sale- and the pics also look the same as the pics used in that scam. Last time I was able to find the original images on a camera forum somewhere. It seems likely the true buyer purchased at Westlich and then posted images of his new cameras on the net. The rest is cut and paste for the fraudster... I can't believe this thread has popped up again (it is basically the same old thread as last time) with the same silly comments as the last one. I think there should be a sticky at the top of this forum about ebay frauds. Otherwise we are going to have a thread like this every two months. "Incredible. I googled for "stolen Leica MP serial 143" but nothing came up. It has to be stolen. At least it will be impossible to claim good faith purchase if/when the real owner comes along if it has been bought for much less than the Westlicht price." comments like this are just silly. the camera does not have 'to be stolen'. The fraudster does not have the camera. They only have the pictures- which are stolen. and the comment about flying to Australia to pick up in person is also too silly: the fraudster is not in Australia- let alone the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iphoenix Posted March 25, 2012 Author Share #25 Posted March 25, 2012 I can't believe this thread has popped up again (it is basically the same old thread as last time) with the same silly comments as the last one. I think there should be a sticky at the top of this forum about ebay frauds. Otherwise we are going to have a thread like this every two months. Jaques, I started a new thread with the view to alerting members to this scam as quickly as possible. I would not expect every single forum member or guest to be aware of all the "tells" which identify a scammer - certainly I'm not. If this can be done by "sticky", then great: I must ask though, who would maintain it and keep it up to date and relevant on a world-wide basis? From Twotone's post above , it looks as though this type of scamming is going to get far worse as the scammers become more sophisticated and organised. Regards, David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SideB Posted March 25, 2012 Share #26 Posted March 25, 2012 Jacques, You are being too literal.... no one seriously thinks this is a genuine auction, the real question is how to get eBay to take action. It also raises awareness of frauds on eBay. This one was noticed because it's an extremely rare and valuable camera, but how many other more ordinary Leicas being sold right now are also scams? My comment about flying to Australia was tongue in cheek... although one day someone will genuinely try to auction an MP they've inherited not knowing what it is and that would be the way to ensure it's not another scam. Lastly, please don't ignore the fact it's fun to discuss these things, we don't always have to be deadly serious! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted March 25, 2012 Share #27 Posted March 25, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) some people seem to have entertained the ridiculous notion that it could be right here on this thread? and it's absurd: I could start a thread a day about a scam like this. They are an ongoing phenomenon for at least the last 7 years now... and a sticky wouldn't have to follow each and every scam, just state the obvious tell tale pointers, and the maxim: "If it is too good to be true: it probably is". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted March 25, 2012 Share #28 Posted March 25, 2012 Jacques, You are being too literal.... no one seriously thinks this is a genuine auction, the real question is how to get eBay to take action. It also raises awareness of frauds on eBay. This one was noticed because it's an extremely rare and valuable camera, but how many other more ordinary Leicas being sold right now are also scams? My comment about flying to Australia was tongue in cheek... although one day someone will genuinely try to auction an MP they've inherited not knowing what it is and that would be the way to ensure it's not another scam. Lastly, please don't ignore the fact it's fun to discuss these things, we don't always have to be deadly serious! I agree... this is mainly a thread of the "fun" type, imho... we are all good Leica connoisseurs, and none of us think that a Leica MP can be magically found on ebay for cheap... ... maybe there is a (0,1 %) chance to find one at a flea market... but definitely not on ebay... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messsucherkamera Posted March 26, 2012 Share #29 Posted March 26, 2012 The camera is not stolen, I am quite sure that its rightful owner still has it and has no idea what is being perpetrated on eBay.... The seller is a fraud, who doesn't have the camera and he is not in Australia. Last time he listed it on eBay.uk and fortunately, the winning bidder saw through his scheme, gave him a negative feedback and pulled away from the purchase. Best, Jan The camera is not stolen - but someone's money is about to be... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iphoenix Posted March 27, 2012 Author Share #30 Posted March 27, 2012 Just a bit more information. The listing has now been removed; presumably he thinks he has sold it outside of Ebay (something they frown on). I did not commit to buy. It's naughty as far as this forum is concerned, if I give the (probably false) details of his location, etc., but Google shows a house at his given address (London) and a bank at his bank's address (also London). His name appears to be Eastern European. Unfortunately, now the listing is gone I don't seem to be able to update them on his attempted scam . And yes, this scammer seems to be more stupid than most. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SideB Posted March 27, 2012 Share #31 Posted March 27, 2012 Generally when a listing actually disappears it is because eBay has deleted it, not because the seller ended the auction early. Anyone who is stupid enough to send this fraudster money deserves to lose it. Be aware that there is a flaw in ebay's fraud detection system. There was a big problem a few years ago with "cloned" auctions ie description and photographs lifted from a genuine sale and re-posted by fraudsters. They were being taken down by enay but then the scammers started posting them as 24 hour auctions. When I drew this to eBay's attention I was told there was nothing it could do because it takes at least 24 hours to open an investigation into any complaint and they won't investigate closed auctions if anyone other than the purchaser makes a complaint. Since then I have never bid on anything sold in a 24 hour auction format. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iphoenix Posted March 28, 2012 Author Share #32 Posted March 28, 2012 Last bit of info: Ebay now calls this an "invalid item", so presumably they cancelled it. Enough details (probably mainly false) were given though, for the police (computer fraud) section, to be given the details of his name, address, and bank account details. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted March 28, 2012 Share #33 Posted March 28, 2012 Enough details (probably mainly false) were given though, for the police (computer fraud) section, to be given the details of his name, address, and bank account details. That's never going to happen! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iphoenix Posted March 28, 2012 Author Share #34 Posted March 28, 2012 That's never going to happen! As an individual case, probably not; but the info. goes into the statistics and who knows, just one little scrap of information may somehow help in the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted March 29, 2012 Share #35 Posted March 29, 2012 Yes, me too think that no real prosecution will follow, but anyway is a good thing that frauders do feel that their "job" is tracked and monitorized by legal authorities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted March 30, 2012 Share #36 Posted March 30, 2012 Yes, me too think that no real prosecution will follow, but anyway is a good thing that frauders do feel that their "job" is tracked and monitorized by legal authorities. And also by Ebay members Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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