daveolson Posted March 6, 2012 Share #1 Posted March 6, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) If this is true and some you are on the the scene, please don't mention cost. My two digitals are Canons the 4D and the 7D. I have an excellent selection of lenses from the days of "pro" shooting. Since I've retired my income has dropped somewhat and has become more or less fixed on what the US government ( 3 separate agencies ) dole out every fall. Would I like an M 9P, sure, but as I said I've retired and the euros(dollars) just aren't there. Does Solms realize that their pricing policy is contributing to a smaller group of loyalists with very deep pockets. As a working pro my cameras were just that, equipment. Now I ask myself, what do I do with all my beautiful Ms and Rs with a variety of attachments, not to mention the M and R lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bill Posted March 6, 2012 Share #2 Posted March 6, 2012 Use them? Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted March 7, 2012 Share #3 Posted March 7, 2012 BOO! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted March 7, 2012 Share #4 Posted March 7, 2012 Does Solms realize that their pricing policy is contributing to a smaller group of loyalists with very deep pockets. Realize it? I'm sure it must be their plan. But take heart, not everyone who can afford Leica's prices is willing to pay them. I consider Leica's lens prices beyond the pale, regardless of how stupendous they may be built and perform. I feel that way about a lot of things, from houses to cars to watches to clothing/shoes. But I'm glad not everyone shares my priorities. It would be a boring world, and the economy would be in even worse shape. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Negative Posted March 7, 2012 Share #5 Posted March 7, 2012 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 7, 2012 Share #6 Posted March 7, 2012 As a car dealer once told me (in jest) (slightly) " We have to lock the door from time to time. We want to keep the brand exclusive" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted March 8, 2012 Share #7 Posted March 8, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) As a car dealer once told me (in jest) (slightly) " We have to lock the door from time to time. We want to keep the brand exclusive" Presumably, he wasn't talking about Jaguar. Or perhaps he was; only locking the door would give any sense of exclusivity to that brand. It certainly isn't the quality of the cars. I'll get me coat ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 9, 2012 Share #8 Posted March 9, 2012 You' re behind times. In the seventies sure. The only brands Jaguar could beat in reliability were BLMC and the Eastern Europeans. But for a run of years nowadays they have been vying with Lexus for the top spot in the reliability ratings. Tata is still benefiting from the Ford input in that respect. I for one have no complaints. The only thing that will break these things is a crazy Italian. They will flatten a Chrysler . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted March 9, 2012 Share #9 Posted March 9, 2012 You' re behind times. In the seventies sure. The only brands Jaguar could beat in reliability were BLMC and the Eastern Europeans. But for a run of years nowadays they have been vying with Lexus for the top spot in the reliability ratings. Tata is still benefiting from the Ford input in that respect. I for one have no complaints. The only thing that will break these things is a crazy Italian. They will flatten a Chrysler . I thought you had a Mondeo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messsucherkamera Posted March 9, 2012 Share #10 Posted March 9, 2012 not everyone who can afford Leica's prices is willing to pay them....And not everyone who would like to acquire a new M camera or lens can. We won't even talk about the prices of the S system body and lenses. I am fortunate to have bought my M gear back in the dark ages (2003/04) when everything was 50% less than today's retail prices. I was even more fortunate in that I had the good sense to hang on to it. At today's prices, the used market is the only source for buying M gear that retains any shred of sanity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalArts 99 Posted March 9, 2012 Share #11 Posted March 9, 2012 You' re behind times. In the seventies sure. The only brands Jaguar could beat in reliability were BLMC and the Eastern Europeans. But for a run of years nowadays they have been vying with Lexus for the top spot in the reliability ratings. Tata is still benefiting from the Ford input in that respect. I for one have no complaints. The only thing that will break these things is a crazy Italian. They will flatten a Chrysler . With the latest dependability study recently released (for the USA) Jaguar certainly did beat out Chrysler, although Chrysler came in dead last. But I don't think 'flattening' is quite the right term. Nor is vying with Lexus. Maybe just 'vying' is perhaps more appropriate. Although I do agree they are working hard to try to get back on track. (Mercedes is currently doing well after recovering from their own dark period during the Jurgen Schrempp era.) And I think Jaguar's Ian Callum is one of the best designers in the world today. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/174270-a-leica-10-then-a-leica-10p/?do=findComment&comment=1948610'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 9, 2012 Share #12 Posted March 9, 2012 I meant flattening litterally ( http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/barnacks-bar/213342-seems-i-make-habit.html )..... strange ranking with Volkswagen and Mini (=BMW) so low. It rather proves that modern cars are very close in build quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted March 9, 2012 Share #13 Posted March 9, 2012 .... Now I ask myself, what do I do with all my beautiful Ms and Rs with a variety of attachments, not to mention the M and R lenses. This thread seems to have gone off-topic. So may I ask: Have you considered buying a good used Leica M8, just to get those M-lenses operational again? Buy from a dealer with a short guarantee, and it will launch your Leica photography in a relatively painless way. Who knows where it might go from there! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustafasoleiman Posted March 9, 2012 Share #14 Posted March 9, 2012 With the latest dependability study recently released (for the USA) Jaguar certainly did beat out Chrysler, although Chrysler came in dead last. But I don't think 'flattening' is quite the right term. Nor is vying with Lexus. Maybe just 'vying' is perhaps more appropriate. Although I do agree they are working hard to try to get back on track. (Mercedes is currently doing well after recovering from their own dark period during the Jurgen Schrempp era.) And I think Jaguar's Ian Callum is one of the best designers in the world today. mmmmh no italian cars that I can see... Maybe Jaap is right about them crazy Aitalians... I should know as I am one... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted March 9, 2012 Share #15 Posted March 9, 2012 You' re behind times. In the seventies sure. The only brands Jaguar could beat in reliability were BLMC and the Eastern Europeans. But for a run of years nowadays they have been vying with Lexus for the top spot in the reliability ratings. Tata is still benefiting from the Ford input in that respect. I for one have no complaints. The only thing that will break these things is a crazy Italian. They will flatten a Chrysler . ?? Have you suffered something from a compatriot of mine ?? Yes, of course there is a number of crazy ones... but I don't think it's we only to have the ability to break Jags... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted March 9, 2012 Share #16 Posted March 9, 2012 Sell your lenses, keep the M's and hunt out a secondhand M9-P If you can hold off until the 10 is out you will obviously get a better buy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 9, 2012 Share #17 Posted March 9, 2012 ?? Have you suffered something from a compatriot of mine ?? Yes, of course there is a number of crazy ones... but I don't think it's we only to have the ability to break Jags... :( Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/174270-a-leica-10-then-a-leica-10p/?do=findComment&comment=1948804'>More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted March 9, 2012 Share #18 Posted March 9, 2012 :( Oh-Hum... ... and a Volvo driver like me... (but not on that pretentious sporty models - as a family keeper I stay on a quiet V70...) Where was the road ? I suppose, YOU were driving the Jag... well, the driver's door has proved definitely a good friend to have aside... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 9, 2012 Share #19 Posted March 9, 2012 St. Lorenz im Passeier coming from the Jaufenpass...(yes,that is in Italy...). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustafasoleiman Posted March 9, 2012 Share #20 Posted March 9, 2012 THIS is a real accident with REAL cars... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/174270-a-leica-10-then-a-leica-10p/?do=findComment&comment=1949188'>More sharing options...
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