Double Negative Posted February 4, 2012 Share #1 Posted February 4, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Until now, the Leica Elmarit-M 28mm f/2.8 ASPH lens was the one to beat as far as size... I think it may just have been given a run for its money on that front. Here's the new MS-Optical Perar 28mm f/4 Super Triplet lens. Some of you may be familiar with the previous Perar 35mm f/3.5 Super Triplet. This one is similar. What's perhaps most interesting (besides its size) is the fact that the diaphragm is in front of the lens! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 4, 2012 Posted February 4, 2012 Hi Double Negative, Take a look here New - World's Smallest 28mm M Lens?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
manolo Posted February 4, 2012 Share #2 Posted February 4, 2012 thanks, I really think that is the way new lenses should go: less elements more simetrical Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted February 4, 2012 Share #3 Posted February 4, 2012 I am unsure why chasing super tiny has any value. the M camera is not a mini point and shoot. I actually prefer handling my M with my 21 or 24 Elmarit, 28 Summicron rather than a MkIV 35 Summicron. Let alone something this small When you get to the Nocti I am in agreement but for me anything smaller than the three above is fine, but don't go too small ..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Negative Posted February 4, 2012 Author Share #4 Posted February 4, 2012 Well, three things come to mind: 1) When nothing less than the quality of an M9 will do. Film, sure - there are smaller solutions. But this fits into your pocket like no other M9... 2) External aperture notwithstanding, about as robust a lens as you can get. 3) Obviously, when size absolutely matters! In general, of course - I agree. I also like having some "meat" on a lens. Larger lenses of course can be faster and better corrected also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted February 4, 2012 Share #5 Posted February 4, 2012 I don't have pockets big and strong enough to carry my M9 without a lens, so size is not an issue for me. Also, I like the weight and feel of larger lenses. Well, larger in the sense that a 50 Lux is larger than this Petra thing. Not larger in the dSLR sense. I don't really miss the size of my Nikon 180 f/2. I have many reservations about the Noctilux, but size isn't really one of them. My 21 Summilux is not much smaller, and I enjoy it's heft in my hand. I think I would find these Perar lenses annoying. Cheers John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted February 4, 2012 Share #6 Posted February 4, 2012 thanks, I really think that is the way new lenses should go: less elements more simetrical What, all at f/4:rolleyes: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
haroldp Posted February 4, 2012 Share #7 Posted February 4, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Having the aperture ahead of the optical center may yield odd bokeh. One of the reasons symmetrical (non-retrofocus) lens designs (think non-asph summicron) often have such natural bokeh is that the aperture is often at or near the optical center of the lens. regards .... H Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giordano Posted February 4, 2012 Share #8 Posted February 4, 2012 Having the aperture ahead of the optical center may yield odd bokeh. One of the reasons symmetrical (non-retrofocus) lens designs (think non-asph summicron) often have such natural bokeh is that the aperture is often at or near the optical center of the lens. Yes, but bokeh isn't going to be much of a concern with a 28mm lens that - on the basis of older wide-angle triplets - is likely to perform best at about f/11. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted February 4, 2012 Share #9 Posted February 4, 2012 Quite ingenious, though of limited appeal. Is there an ideal size -- not too big, not too small? To me, this would be too small for easy handling. Then again, the original retractable Elmar was also pretty dinky. Compared with hulking DSLR lenses, all M lenses are compact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Sanchez Posted February 4, 2012 Share #10 Posted February 4, 2012 It'd be interesting to see how this performs - maybe some photo's if anyone has a link or actually has the lens Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Negative Posted February 4, 2012 Author Share #11 Posted February 4, 2012 It'd be interesting to see how this performs - maybe some photo's if anyone has a link or actually has the lens There's a link to samples in the article via Flickr. The lens actually performs rather well! Same with their Perar 35mm f/3.5 Super Triplet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manolo Posted February 5, 2012 Share #12 Posted February 5, 2012 What, all at f/4:rolleyes: you can always take the diafragm off and use it at f 1.4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted February 5, 2012 Share #13 Posted February 5, 2012 appeal may be limited- but not so much that the 180 of the first lot will be sold within no time at all... (quick sums: 125,000 dollars!) bokeh doesn't look too bad in the samples and performance seems OK. I like this guys work- even if I am not going to spring for it. Look forward to his 50mm offering... Stylistically speaking this lens has evolved considerably since the Perar- it has a very ergonomic- slip into a pocket- look. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Negative Posted February 5, 2012 Author Share #14 Posted February 5, 2012 Well, if the 35 is any indication - these will sell just as quickly. And the 35 is in its third revision... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted February 5, 2012 Share #15 Posted February 5, 2012 If this could be slapped on the front of a Mini range finder with MFT or CMOS sensor it has some validity. (Fuji PRO, panny GX1, Sony NEX etc) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted February 5, 2012 Share #16 Posted February 5, 2012 Until now, the Leica Elmarit-M 28mm f/2.8 ASPH lens was the one to beat as far as size... I think it may just have been given a run for its money on that front. ... The Leitz 28mm f/6.3 should give the Perar some competition as the world's smallest 28 mm lens. Yes it's an LTM lens but with an LTM to M adaptor it can be used on an M camera so I suppose it qualifies as an M lens. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Negative Posted February 6, 2012 Author Share #17 Posted February 6, 2012 Some great insights, guys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted February 6, 2012 Share #18 Posted February 6, 2012 Sorry to go slightly of topic. But this does raise a few questions about the 'right' size and the issue of weight. We all know the D3's, D4's are huge and lenses equally so (over twice the weight for the body of an M9 and over twice the frontal footprint) I think there is a being 'used to' influence as well, but the perfect size for me would be M6, M7 more than the M8/9 If Leica were able to replace some brass with magnesium alloy and get the weight down a little, great but if it felt empty I'm not so sure ! A combo that was 400-500g for the body and 250g for lenses sounds 'perfect' for me My GF1 does feel rather Toy like whenever I pick it up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Negative Posted February 6, 2012 Author Share #19 Posted February 6, 2012 ^ Agreed. While I prefer the black Leica lenses... Only for color. I like the brass under the silver chrome (and in general) better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyalf Posted March 18, 2012 Share #20 Posted March 18, 2012 have tried the Perar 4/28 MC Super-Tpiplet on a M9 (yes, I have the Tpiplet, not a Triplet ). At first I belived it was a novelty, but its a nice lens with little distortion and I like the rendering. Sample pics: Tromsø street | Flickr - Photo Sharing! Tromsø cityscape | Flickr - Photo Sharing! And a photo of the lens: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/171969-new-worlds-smallest-28mm-m-lens/?do=findComment&comment=1957672'>More sharing options...
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