Paul J Posted January 28, 2012 Share #1 Â Posted January 28, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I would love to see a 28 summilux 1.4 Â Do you think we are likely to see one from Leica? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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adan Posted January 28, 2012 Share #2 Â Posted January 28, 2012 They have to overcome the size problem. A 24 (or 21) f/1.4 uses an accesory finder, so blockage of the built-in finder is irrelevant. Not so for a 28. Â Also, as Leica has introduced the f/1.4 lenses, they have tended to dump the in-between apertures (e.g. 21 and 24 f/2.8s). Outside of the "normal" 35 and 50 lenses, they tend to stick with 2 lenses of each focal length (fast or cheap(ish)). In the case of the 28, that would mean dumping the outstanding Summicron. Â The only "official" Leica word I've ever heard on a 28 Summilux was from Stefan Daniel (at PMA in 2007) - "We think f/2 is the better solution for the 28." I'd guess it would take a letter-writing campaign (and/or a "buyers' strike" on the Summicron), to make them see any different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fWord Posted January 29, 2012 Share #3 Â Posted January 29, 2012 Not withstanding the current pressures on production at Leica, they would certainly produce a lens if there was a proven demand for it. Or perhaps they'd do it for the fame (ie. to be the world's first to produce a 28/1.4 that is tack sharp wide open). I could be wrong, but frankly I think it's not a matter of 'if', but 'when' Leica will produce such a lens. The price and its practicality however, would be a different thing altogether. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted January 29, 2012 Share #4 Â Posted January 29, 2012 The jump from the old 28mm Elmarit to the current 28mm Summicron was was done without increasing length thanks to the addition of an aspherical element. Â I suspect a 28 Summilux might be possible while to some degree restraining size increases. But more aspherical surfaces ( diminishing returns compared to the first surface ?) and no doubt the need to add floating elements would certainly put the cost somewhere up alongside the 24mm Summilux lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted January 29, 2012 Share #5 Â Posted January 29, 2012 I can't see Leica doing it, remember what they made wide fast lenses for, low light, so its only the film users who need a faster lens than f/2 because everybody else can just increase the ISO. The argument that you can isolate the subject from the background starts to become redundant as a wide lens has so much DOF anyway. f/2 is fine. Â Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted January 29, 2012 Share #6  Posted January 29, 2012 The argument that you can isolate the subject from the background starts to become redundant as a wide lens has so much DOF anyway. f/2 is fine   I use the 21mm Summilux, and a surprising amount of near-far differentiation can be achieved - indeed f/1.4 frequently yields too little depth of field.  A 28mm Summilux would be exceptionally useful - IF they can keep the in-camera finder clear of too much blockage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted January 29, 2012 Share #7  Posted January 29, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) F/2 would be fine in 24mm and 21mm too. Summicrons in these focal lengths would have been far more practical than the current Summilux monsters. These violate the very concept of the M – a small, light and handy camera to record life around us. The wide Summiluxes won't do that, because they do not come into the hands of photographers who want to do just that. The target group (there will always be exceptions, of course) are not photographers but rich gear collectors.  Or am I the only one who has not yet seen one interesting picture taken with one of these lenses?  Leica Camera AG need not care about who buys their lenses of course, as long as they pay up. And the wide Summiluxes are certainly excellent bragging lenses for all parties. I could have scraped up the money for a 21mm Summilux, but even if this had been much easier, I would still have purchased the Super-Elmar I own now. This is what I mean with a 'practical lens'. A Summicron – well, perhaps ...  The old agent provocateur from the Age of the Super-Angulons Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted January 29, 2012 Share #8  Posted January 29, 2012 I do wonder if they will bring out a 21 and 24 Summicron.  It would fit into their range as the gap is now nearly 3 stops with the super Elmars. In the old catalogue 2011 the Elmarit's were £3,120 for the 21 and £2,860 for the 24. I think the Summicrons if they made them would be nearer £4k than £3k unfortunately.  I really like my 21 asph and 24 asph Elmarit's for size weight and image quality, they have a look that I really like.  I have the 28 Cron asph which is super sharp and very nice too, not sure why I use the 21 and 24 on my M8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted January 29, 2012 Share #9 Â Posted January 29, 2012 The BASIC issue, now, is really the VF obtrusion : so, i think they will wait for the intro of the "new M" which probably will have some new solution on the VF side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sp12 Posted January 29, 2012 Share #10 Â Posted January 29, 2012 My only concern is that it will end up like the 21/24 Lux -- never used by wonderful photographers because they're so exorbitant -- in price, size, wieght, obtrusiveness. Â I think I'd rather see a 21 Cron before a 28 Lux. Not that I don't love fast 28s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billib Posted January 29, 2012 Share #11  Posted January 29, 2012 My only concern is that it will end up like the 21/24 Lux -- never used by wonderful photographers because they're so exorbitant -- in price, size, wieght, obtrusiveness. I think I'd rather see a 21 Cron before a 28 Lux. Not that I don't love fast 28s. Lenses that don't exist are also never used by wonderful photographers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted January 29, 2012 Share #12  Posted January 29, 2012 Depth of field with 21 f/1.4 @ f/1.4 - The 28mm f/2 might look similar in the distance if I had pulled back to cover the same close up area. A 28 f/1.4 would be better. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/171516-28-summilux/?do=findComment&comment=1912493'>More sharing options...
Messsucherkamera Posted January 30, 2012 Share #13 Â Posted January 30, 2012 With the 24/1.4 and the 35/1.4 in the lineup, Leica might look at a 28/1.4 as an unnecessary endeavor. Â If Leica could make a 28/1.4 that would be closer to the 35/1.4 in size, it would be an interesting lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messsucherkamera Posted January 30, 2012 Share #14 Â Posted January 30, 2012 With the 24/1.4 and the 35/1.4 in the lineup, Leica might look at a 28/1.4 as an unnecessary endeavor. Â If Leica could make a 28/1.4 that would be closer to the 35/1.4 than to the 24/1.4 in size, it would be an interesting lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgray Posted January 30, 2012 Share #15 Â Posted January 30, 2012 I for one would seriously consider a 28 Summilux, as long as it wasn't too big. 28 is my favorite and most used focal length. While the 28 Summicron is a wonderful lens, one of the best, there are times when I really wish I had another stop. I've thought about getting a 24 Summilux to fill this need/desire, but I fear that 24mm is a bit to wide for what I want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 30, 2012 Share #16 Â Posted January 30, 2012 I for one would seriously consider a 28 Summilux, as long as it wasn't too big. ............ Â It would be! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted January 30, 2012 Share #17 Â Posted January 30, 2012 It would be!That depends on the lens design. The current fast wides are "retrofocus" i.e. the lens barrel is longer than the focal length. Presumably they could go the other way and make a "reverse-retrofocus" (i.e. tele-lens) similar to the lens on the Olympus XA. In that case the 28 mm lens would be very compact. The main issue is whether such designs are compatible with all the other demands, like distortion, vignetting, CA etc. Presumably not - but who knows what tricks they have up their sleeves in Solms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 30, 2012 Share #18 Â Posted January 30, 2012 Depth of field with 21 f/1.4 @ f/1.4 - The 28mm f/2 might look similar in the distance if I had pulled back to cover the same close up area. A 28 f/1.4 would be better. Â Out of interest, what iso setting did you use for that photo? Was it an M9? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted January 30, 2012 Share #19 Â Posted January 30, 2012 The current fast wides are "retrofocus" i.e. the lens barrel is longer than the focal length...... Â Yep - a requirement for metering through the lens - to leave space behind the lens for the meter cell to "see" the metering band on the shutter blades. I can just see Leica, in the 21st century, coming out with a $7,000 lens that requires a return to hand-held metering. LOL Â Not to mention that retrofocus designs are more digital-friendly (more telecentric). Witness the purple edges from the nice, compact, non-metering 21 Super-Angulons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgray Posted January 30, 2012 Share #20 Â Posted January 30, 2012 It would be! Â I'm sure it would be large, but I could handle something like the size of the 24 Summilux. Smaller would obviously be better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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