Paul J Posted January 23, 2012 Share #1 Posted January 23, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm extremely eager to jump into a Leica digital M. There has been some speculation about the M10 being released and Photokina 2012 and while I've been researching a fair bit I wanted to post here and see if there are any details that I may have missed and also just get mass consensus on a seemingly well informed board. I have my fingers crossed. Do you think an M10 will be launched at Photokina 2012? Otherwise I will more than gladly jump into an M9 straight away as I feel it's still a very compelling buy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 Hi Paul J, Take a look here M10 at Photokina [Merged]. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
JeTexas Posted January 23, 2012 Share #2 Posted January 23, 2012 Supposedly two cameras will be announced. The only sure bet is a mirrorless interchangeable lense camera with at least an APS-C sensor. Will it be that and an M10 or will it be that and an X2? Or is the "budget" mirrorless the X2? Nobody knows yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k_g_wolf ✝ Posted January 23, 2012 Share #3 Posted January 23, 2012 The M9 is there, the M10 could be there ... You never know with LEICA. They could decide to melk the M9-cow for another year, it is still selling strong. I prefered to put the M9 into my photobag first and might get rid of it in favour of the M10 in case it suits me and IF it comes at all. For a better resalevalue you should perhaps consider the M9-P. best GEORG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted January 23, 2012 Share #4 Posted January 23, 2012 Hi Paul, If you search the forum you will find several threads speculating on possible features of a future M10. While it is impossible to know what will happen there seems to be growing evidence that Photokina in September will be when the next M body is announced. As for me I'm quite happy with my M9-P and will not be upgrading for live view, electronic focus confirmation, or any of the other rumored "improvements", although I would gladly accept improved ISO performance (although the M9 is already quite excellent), a faster processor and larger buffer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 23, 2012 Share #5 Posted January 23, 2012 It is possible, maybe likely. But even then it will be some time that there will be a reasonable chance of obtaining one, due to waiting lists. Nor does anybody know what the camera will be like and what direction the designers will take. As it is the M9 is considered by many of us to be a near-perfect digital rangefinder and with them, I for one am extremely doubtful that I will jump into purchasing the new kid on the block if and when it appears. Basically the same situation exists for the M8 - many M8 owners stuck with their camera and they are still using them with the satisfaction they had when they first got it. And getting excellent images, that are only marginally behind the M9. We see quite a number of newbies with secondhand M8s that agree with this sentiment - and consider that it is nearly six years ago that it came to the market - an eternity in the digital world. I personally would not hesitate getting an M9 now, even knowing that the next iteration will come sometime in the future, think of all the opportunities lost during waiting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 23, 2012 Author Share #6 Posted January 23, 2012 Hi and thanks to all for the info. Yes I've been searching for some time now about the features etc. thanks for the prompts. I suppose I'd be interested in the 29mp Kodak sensor for it's pixel count. Maybe live view, but I have a feeling I would prefer the real RF focussing. I would definitely be interested in the faster buffer and processing though and it's probably my last remaining fear about the came but not one that will stop me from buying. I don't know how, but I thought Photokina was in february. Well that's a no brainer then I guess it's going to be an M9-P as I can't wait that long. Maybe I will get the M10 when my lenses are finally ready... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 23, 2012 Author Share #7 Posted January 23, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) It is possible, maybe likely. But even then it will be some time that there will be a reasonable chance of obtaining one, due to waiting lists. Nor does anybody know what the camera will be like and what direction the designers will take.As it is the M9 is considered by many of us to be a near-perfect digital rangefinder and with them, I for one am extremely doubtful that I will jump into purchasing the new kid on the block if and when it appears. Basically the same situation exists for the M8 - many M8 owners stuck with their camera and they are still using them with the satisfaction they had when they first got it. And getting excellent images, that are only marginally behind the M9. We see quite a number of newbies with secondhand M8s that agree with this sentiment - and consider that it is nearly six years ago that it came to the market - an eternity in the digital world. I personally would not hesitate getting an M9 now, even knowing that the next iteration will come sometime in the future, think of all the opportunities lost during waiting. Thanks some really good points here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted January 23, 2012 Share #8 Posted January 23, 2012 To sum it up for me... Who cares? I am out shooting with my M now! What Leica releases in the future is of little consequence. When or If Leica releases a new M, I will look at then. Until then, I am going shooting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted January 23, 2012 Share #9 Posted January 23, 2012 As it is the M9 is considered by many of us to be a near-perfect digital rangefinder and with them, I for one am extremely doubtful that I will jump into purchasing the new kid on the block if and when it appears. I'm bookmarking that for when you post that you've ordered an M10 :D But yes, the M9 has all I want and need, and though I'm not ruling out getting an M10, I will most definitely wait till the reviews are in before my plastic comes out. Given the M10 will most likely go CMOS, and the sensor will come from a new partner, I can see a much greater potential for teething issues than the M9 which built heavily upon Leica's experience with the M8. And whereas the difference in crop-factors and the IR filter situation with wide angle lenses prompted me to sell my M8 rather than accompany the M9, I fully expect to hang on to the M9 as a partner/backup for the M10. I think perhaps a lot more people will do likewise this time. That, along with a larger number of people who like the M9 as it is, I think may lessen the magnitude of the early-adopter frenzy as opposed to the M9's debut, and so I think the M9 may very well hold its value in the resale market much better than the M8 did (and the M8 wasn't as bad as most digitals in depreciation). Therefore I probably would not hesitate to get an M9 now, though I might try to find a waranteed demo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 23, 2012 Share #10 Posted January 23, 2012 There would be only one reason for that - apart from surprises-: If it has R-lenses capability with an add-on EVF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralf Posted January 23, 2012 Share #11 Posted January 23, 2012 I'm bookmarking that for when you post that you've ordered an M10 :D But yes, the M9 has all I want and need, and though I'm not ruling out getting an M10, I will most definitely wait till the reviews are in before my plastic comes out. Given the M10 will most likely go CMOS, and the sensor will come from a new partner, I can see a much greater potential for teething issues than the M9 which built heavily upon Leica's experience with the M8. And whereas the difference in crop-factors and the IR filter situation with wide angle lenses prompted me to sell my M8 rather than accompany the M9, I fully expect to hang on to the M9 as a partner/backup for the M10. I think perhaps a lot more people will do likewise this time. That, along with a larger number of people who like the M9 as it is, I think may lessen the magnitude of the early-adopter frenzy as opposed to the M9's debut, and so I think the M9 may very well hold its value in the resale market much better than the M8 did (and the M8 wasn't as bad as most digitals in depreciation). Therefore I probably would not hesitate to get an M9 now, though I might try to find a waranteed demo. Agreed to 100% Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted January 23, 2012 Share #12 Posted January 23, 2012 I'm not in the market for an M9 or M10, but remember both the M8 and M9 had very long waiting lists after they were announced, and when the first customers got their hands on their cameras they had to 'help' Leica with a number of teething problems, sending cameras back for repairs etc. So, if an M10 is announced at Photokina, it will most likely be Spring time next year at the very earliest, before you can easily buy a de-bugged version! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted January 23, 2012 Share #13 Posted January 23, 2012 It is possible, maybe likely. But even then it will be some time that there will be a reasonable chance of obtaining one, due to waiting lists. Not to mention the 6-9 months of sorting out the bugs in any new product. And if the M10 adopts all the new technologies needed to make it significantly different from the M9 - CMOS, Live-view, CPU, etc. - there will be bugs. I was willing to be an early-adopter (very) of the M9 - and put up with inevitable months of tweaking - in order to get a full-frame sensor. The M10 would have to offer both ISO 12,800 and 37 Mpixels, or some equally major paradigm shift, for me to jump in early again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedi996sps Posted January 23, 2012 Share #14 Posted January 23, 2012 Not to mention the 6-9 months of sorting out the bugs in any new product. And if the M10 adopts all the new technologies needed to make it significantly different from the M9 - CMOS, Live-view, CPU, etc. - there will be bugs. I was willing to be an early-adopter (very) of the M9 - and put up with inevitable months of tweaking - in order to get a full-frame sensor. The M10 would have to offer both ISO 12,800 and 37 Mpixels, or some equally major paradigm shift, for me to jump in early again. If the m10 does come with 37mpixels... i hope it does not also come with the S2 price tag :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted January 23, 2012 Share #15 Posted January 23, 2012 Didn't a Leica spokesperson say "... and it will not be made by Leica." ? So if there are two cameras, perhaps one will be like a Super V Lux that takes M mount lenses and the other a Leica M9 type (M10) with: 1. Much faster processor 2. Faster SD card write 3. LED illuminated frame lines showing only the frame for mounted lens (with option to see others) 4. Built-in view diopter, adjustable 5. Additional, common pin USB port for wireless/remote operation unteathered, left side 6. Additional external power input port (battery and AC adapter compatible), right-side I'll stop there. Oh, #7, a magic genie that grants three free CLAs and professional return times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted January 23, 2012 Share #16 Posted January 23, 2012 I'm extremely eager to jump into a Leica digital M. There has been some speculation about the M10 being released and Photokina 2012 and while I've been researching a fair bit I wanted to post here and see if there are any details that I may have missed and also just get mass consensus on a seemingly well informed board. I have my fingers crossed. Do you think an M10 will be launched at Photokina 2012? Otherwise I will more than gladly jump into an M9 straight away as I feel it's still a very compelling buy. Paul, you seem set on buying an M10 without knowing anything about its specification. May I ask you to list your actual photographic requirements and state precisely where the M9 falls short against your criteria? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saloti Posted January 23, 2012 Share #17 Posted January 23, 2012 Supposedly two cameras will be announced. The only sure bet is a mirrorless interchangeable lense camera with at least an APS-C sensor. Will it be that and an M10 or will it be that and an X2? Or is the "budget" mirrorless the X2? Nobody knows yet. I agree, if you look what the competition has been/is launching in the segment of compact system cameras with interchangeable lenses I would expect such a camera, probably based upon X1 platform, ideally with 1-2 new zoom lenses, allowing M lenses to be mounted. M10? No, I would not expect this one; demand for M9 still is so high, they would be silly to do that. So - go for M9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevelap Posted January 23, 2012 Share #18 Posted January 23, 2012 .................While it is impossible to know what will happen there seems to be growing evidence that Photokina in September will be when the next M body is announced...................... Rumour and speculation yes, including hints from Leica about a CSC at photokina too, but evidence of the next M Stephen? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2012 Share #19 Posted January 23, 2012 I'm bookmarking that for when you post that you've ordered an M10 +1 And since you already have two M9s and I don't, it could be I'll PM, before waiting for the classified . As I said: no silent shutter - no M10 for me. Just as a "digital Visoflex" for others, this is my 5 grand spending condition for 2013. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted January 23, 2012 Share #20 Posted January 23, 2012 Rumour and speculation yes, including hints from Leica about a CSC at photokina too, but evidence of the next M Stephen? Stefan Daniel had hinted at 3 years being a good product cycle for a digital M and photokina 2012 opens 9 days after the M9’s third birthday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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