Thinking of selling X1 for Digilux 3

[Denis99]

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I'm thinking of selling my X1 and getting a Digilux 3. I like the X1, but it's limited in what I can do with it. Had the external viewfinder , but was disappointed with it.

 

Anyone changed from an X1 to the Digilux 3? I'd be interested to hear owners views.

 

Can't afford an M9 yet, but one day I will get one.

 

I suppose I want a more conventional camera and the X1 is a little too small for me to handle well.

[wda]

Denis, the X1 and Digilux 3 are rather different cameras, the latter taking interchangeable lenses. The X1 packs quality in a small package which is its unique appeal. What kind of photography had you been doing before you bought the X1? And did you upgrade a camera or simply add the X1?

 

I have the Digilux 2 which is a legendary camera with a cult following. (Just search the forum). Despite its obsolescence and 5 mp sensor, it is really quite versatile and more fun to use than many of its vintage. But even than cannot match the IQ of the X1 and I doubt neither could the Digilux 3.

[Denis99]

I had a Canon 5D2, and before that 1D3.

 

I want a little more versatility in terms of a zoom lens, something larger for my hands.

 

The lack of image stabilisation is beginning to matter to me - I've got the X1 set to this function , but found out that it just adds separate images together.

 

I'm beginning to get blurred images - not the camera , just me.

 

Like the look of both the Digilux 2 or 3.

[wda]

Denis, sorry to hear of your stability problems. I think we all suffer at some time or other! I assume you are using manual exposure settings and thus choosing shutter speeds fast enough to eliminate camera shake?

 

Image stabiliser on the X1 only applies when the shutter speed equals or is longer than 1/30th second and shouldn't be necessary at shutter speeds as brief as 1/125 or shorter. For some indoor work I often use a small table tripod when travelling. It does make possible shake-free exposures in low light situations.

 

Migrating from a DSLR to a compact does take some acclimatisation. If ergonomics concern you most, why not visit your nearest Leica dealer to handle some alternatives. Have you considered a Leica digital M body? Most dealers would allow you to try one. If none exist near to you, consider a trip to Leica Mayfair and book onto one of their experience days. You would be able to talk to at least one expert in you chosen field.

[too old to care]

Denis, I have a Panasonic DMC-L1, which I believe is pretty much the same as the Digilux 3. Leica Digilux 3: Digital Photography Review

and Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1: Digital Photography Review

and Leica Digilux 3 vs Panasonic DMC-L1

 

I also had a Canon 5DII with a bunch of Zeiss and L-Series lenses. The DMC-L1 is about the same size and the Canon, but the viewfinder is much smaller. For me it is almost impossible to focus manually, although the lens is wonderful. Because of this you are almost forced to use auto focus in darker settings.

 

The image stabilization works ok, but the standard lens is also huge. Nice thing about the camera is that it will also take standard Olympus 4/3rds lenses. However, you lose image stabilization with Olympus lenses, plus the f-stop ring.

 

I did a comparison before I sold my 5DII by printing side by side shots from both the DMC-L1 and the 5DII using a Canon 9000 MK II printer making 13 x 19" prints. Of course the Canon was sharper, but not by as much as you would think. If you are not going bigger than 13 x 19 I think you would be quite happy.

 

I like the DMC-L1 because it operates much like my M6, that is it has full manual controls with real f-stop and shutter speed dials. However, I do not use my camera much anymore (although it shot several weddings quite well) because of its size and dark finder. If you get one I think you will regret it when you compare the shots taken with your X1.

 

Hope this helps a little. Wayne

[dkCambridgeshire]

The Olympus E-330 also used the same chassis as the Digilux 3 and DMC-L1 . The E-330 is now a 'cult camera' and used examples are seldom offered for sale.

 

dunk

[dickgrafixstop]

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Denis, you didn't mention a time frame. If you are in no hurry, I wouldn't do anything until I

saw what Leica announces at the trade show in September. (and you can use the time to star putting money away for your next purchase) If rumors are anywhere near

accurate, an interchangeable lens, less expensive option should be on the menu. If not,

you might consider any of the several small interchangeable lens compact cameras that are currently available. Four/thirds is basically dead, replaced my m4/3 or other proprietary

sensors - the Sony NEX perhaps the more versatile. All have a Leica adapter for M lenses,

which you could start to acquire in preparation for your leap to "M" series. Even Leica

diehards find it hard to heap praise on the Digilux 3 even compared to the Digilux 2. Like

most four/thirds efforts, the images are usually found wanting.

[Denis99]

Thanks for the replies, I've been surfing the 'net looking at reviews etc.

 

I'm tempted by the Digilux 3, but its quite old in digital terms - probably won't get this now.

 

As daft (or is it?) as it sounds I keep looking at a Leica M7 (used) and then purchasing Leica / Ziess lens to fit.

I'd treat the M7 as my lifetime film camera with the longer term view of buying an M9 when my retirement fund kicks in (three years time).

 

Film camera would fit ok with what I shoot and it would give me the chance to acquire the lens for the future M9 at a reasonable pace.

 

The X1 is a great camera , it just doesn't handle for me - I find it too small (or maybe I'm too big).

 

Sort of agree about the 4/3rds -

[earleygallery]

Can't go wrong with a film Leica, and if you've been shooting only digital for a while, when you see your next film results you'll wonder why you ever switched!

 

But you have to be happy with film workflow and the M7 doesn't have AF or take zoom lenses!

 

If you were happy with your 5D you could always go back to that, much better than a Digilux 3.

[robert blu]

I have the m7 as my "main" film camera and of course it's a good choice. Beside I have the x1 as additional camera and for me it is, it was a kind of digital test and it works well (I have small hands!). So now sometimes I think of an M9 (I already have lenses) but before any decision I prefer to wait the next photokina (september) in order to see the announced new interchangeable system of Leica. I'm not sure I need a full frame sensor if with a smaller sensor (APS-C or 4/3) fast wide angles lenses will be available. Meantime it seems me the 4/3 market will be interesting this year.

robert

[prager]

I'm thinking of selling my X1 and getting a Digilux 3. I like the X1, but it's limited in what I can do with it. Had the external viewfinder , but was disappointed with it.

 

Anyone changed from an X1 to the Digilux 3? I'd be interested to hear owners views.

 

Hi Dennis, I had the D2, D3 and the both panasonic versions, than bought the X1, sold the X1 and are verry happy with the X1OO, what I am using next to the Panasonic DMC-L1. I sold the D3 because the pana fits just better my hand with the gripsize. There is no difference between the Leica and the Pana exept the price and the red dot.

If I had to chose between the D3 and the X1...difficult, beacuse the X1 is can be used with high iso, and the D3 not. For the grip and feeling of a real camera I was verry dissapointed by the X1. ...If I was you...wait some short time and buy the Fuji X1 PRO, you can always put some leica glass to it.

Regards Rudy

[jhluxton]

I'm thinking of selling my X1 and getting a Digilux 3. I like the X1, but it's limited in what I can do with it. Had the external viewfinder , but was disappointed with it.

 

Anyone changed from an X1 to the Digilux 3? I'd be interested to hear owners views.

 

Can't afford an M9 yet, but one day I will get one.

 

I suppose I want a more conventional camera and the X1 is a little too small for me to handle well.

 

I bought a D3 when my Digilux 2 sensor died - Leica offered a half price upgrade. That was a few years back. It has took me a long time to get used to the Digilux 3.

 

I do use the D3 quite a lot now, but from time to time I still get crooked pictures. The camera appears difficult to hold for some strange reason. It never feels quite balanced in my hand.

 

True it was my first Digital SLR, but having used 35mm Praktica and Contax SLRs and the Contax G1 range finder systems in the past I still can't quite understand why I have to really concentrate on getting my D3 pictures right, horizons were often non horizontal in the early days. Things have gradually improved but I still manage to get disappointing shots and that is after several years of use.

 

All I can think is the D3 whilst it feels a very substantial, and pleasing camera to hold, it is not well balanced.

 

On the other hand, my X1 which is a year old this month is a dream, brilliant photos and yes okay the fixed lens can be limiting, but I like using it and use it a lot. Over 4000 photos in the past year according to the counter!

 

Really I would stick with the X1. If you want a D3 keep your X1 as you may be disappointed, and remember the D3 is older technology and not available new.

 

John

[Denis99]

Thanks for the replies.

 

I've tried to take a fresh approach to using the X1 - went to a nearby beach last Saturday and took the X1.

 

I was surprised with the results , I shoot mainly in aperture mode , and like to do a bit of HDR.

 

I'm beginning to change my mind, and thinking about using a monopod to help with the holding the camera still.

 

Images can be seen on my Flickr site , link below.

 

Aberavon 14th january 2012 - a set on Flickr

[NZDavid]

I would have no qualms buying an old film camera, but I'd never buy an old digital camera. There have been real quantifiable advances in digital technology even over the last couple of years. Better IQ at high ISO and better dynamic range in small sensors, for example. I'd hang on to the X1 and wait for a new EVIL camera from Leica, possibly later this year. I no longer have the X1 (I moved to the M9) but still think it's a great design with remarkable IQ. A few tweaks and a couple of extra lenses and it would be brilliant.

[Ron Kennett]

I have the Digilux 3 and until recently had the X1. These are very different pieces of equipment and having both is a reasonable solution. Personally, I admire the Digilux 3, but I doubt that I would buy one now, given the outdated sensor, (although this performs well). I enjoyed the X1 but have replaced it with the stunning Fuji X100 (and have also replaced my D-lux 4 with the X10). The Fuji XPro1 will be an excellent alternative to the Digilux 3 and that is probably a better trade for your X1.

[dave.gt]

Interesting thread...

 

Buying an older digital camera may present problems with servicing/replacing parts and such I would think. For example, how long can one hope that a replacement sensor for an older digital camera will be available? Other parts as well.

 

No idea but it is a concern that I simply do not have with film cameras. If my R4 died tomorrow, I pick up another one in excellent condition for $150. Or an R8 for $595.

[nickma]

Denis - don't do it! Buy a grip. If need be, buy the Ever Ready case that includes the leather body that goes over the grip and screws into the grip tripod thread (I'm getting shot of mine 'cos it makes the camera too big for me - now the camera is plenty big enough for you, and it will take fabulous, natural, pictures with great light reproduction. In fact the more I think about it, the more I think this camera is all about how well it captures light.

 

A 35mm film camera addition is a great idea - I love my Konica Hexar - another world beater and great street shooter - totally silent when it needs to be, ultra fast and accurate focusing, great glass - all unimpeded by a slow digital sensor, can be found for just £300.

[dave.gt]

Yes, an A&A leather half case gave me all the grip I needed to get this tough low-light snap of the restaurant yesterday using my friend's X1. I just know if I were more used to the live view and had a grip or more experience with this little camera that I could get an even sharper image. (Hope it's okay to post this as an example of someone who was having a problem holding the X1 prior to putting the half case on it and shooting with it.) This was on Auto ISO and program:

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[lowep]

I'm thinking of buying an X1 so appreciate all the information about user experiences in this thread.

 

Am I right that it is not easy to use but gives superb results compared to other cameras with aps-c sensor?

 

How do you focus? I am used to my old Leica R DSLR film kit so prefer to use viewfinder rather than LCD for manual focus but as far as I can see the only option for doing something like this with the X1 is via an optical viewfinder that gives no focus confirmation. So do you just frame your image then turn the focus ring willy nilly until the focus confirmation beeps?

 

Denis if you do decide to sell your X1 please contact me.

 

Peter

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[dave.gt]

I'm thinking of buying an X1 so appreciate all the information about user experiences in this thread.

 

Am I right that it is not easy to use but gives superb results compared to other cameras with aps-c sensor?

 

How do you focus? I am used to my old Leica R DSLR film kit so prefer to use viewfinder rather than LCD for manual focus but as far as I can see the only option for doing something like this with the X1 is via an optical viewfinder that gives no focus confirmation. So do you just frame your image then turn the focus ring willy nilly until the focus confirmation beeps?

 

Denis if you do decide to sell your X1 please contact me.

 

Peter

 

 

Like you, I am new to the X1. I also prefer a VF. I have a 35mm VF and tried it on the X1 and it was a lot easier. The photos I made with the X1 on Sunday were with live view...not hard at all to use on AF. But I would prefer to use it on MF and using the 35mm external VF for most applications.

 

BTW, I had no problems at all with the AF. Worked as good as my old D40 I used for 3 years. And better than the super focus D2 bodies where it blew focus quite a lot.