wlaidlaw Posted February 23, 2007 Share #1 Posted February 23, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I see that Adobe have now brought out Camera RAW 3.7 on 18th of February but still no M8 support. This is disappointing as Leica have shown faith in Adobe by adopting their DNG format and it would be nice to have this returned. While I am on my Adobe "high horse" - when are they going to get round to releasing PSE5 for Mac - it has been out for months on Windows. I know they are not the best of friends with Mr. Jobs at the moment but should they let that impact upon their loyal customer base. I just hope when it finally comes out it is a universal binary version and they will put in the organizer, which has been missing on the Mac version since PSE3. I could then finally wave bye-bye to iPhoto. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 23, 2007 Posted February 23, 2007 Hi wlaidlaw, Take a look here New Camera RAW in Photoshop - no M8. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
stunsworth Posted February 23, 2007 Share #2 Posted February 23, 2007 Wilson, I thought Photoshop already supported the M8? Certainly CS3 - which uses Raw 3.6 does. I'll try CS2 this evening. No idea about Elements, though I would expect that having to make it a universal binary would complicate matters. Presumably they've looked at the sales of the different versions and decided that the number of sales to Mac uses doesn't warrant people being diverted away from working on CS3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steich Posted February 23, 2007 Share #3 Posted February 23, 2007 Wilson, I think Camera Raw supports the M8 since Version 3.6. http://www.adobe.com/special/photoshop/camera_raw/Camera_Raw_3.6_ReadMe.pdf Look at page 4 of the pdf. Usually I develop my dngs with C1, but I have done so with PSE, too. Stefan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 23, 2007 Author Share #4 Posted February 23, 2007 Wilson, I think Camera Raw supports the M8 since Version 3.6. http://www.adobe.com/special/photoshop/camera_raw/Camera_Raw_3.6_ReadMe.pdf Look at page 4 of the pdf. Usually I develop my dngs with C1, but I have done so with PSE, too. Stefan Stephan, I must admit I have not tried it as Adobe does not list the M8 as a supported camera, even as of this morning. They list the D-Lux 2&3, Digilux 2&3 and V-Lux1. I will download and look at the PDF as soon as their download site is up and running again - it is down at the moment. Thanks for the "heads up" on this. I have to admit to not being a huge fan of C1 so far, probably because I am struggling to get enthusiastic about learning yet another program. Dreamweaver has knocked that out of me for a few months - phew! Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted February 23, 2007 Share #5 Posted February 23, 2007 Wilson, ACR has supported cameras in the past that weren't listed in the documentation - I think that happened when the Canon 5D was originally released. If you try to open an M8 RAW file you should find out straight away :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wlaidlaw Posted February 23, 2007 Author Share #7 Posted February 23, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) From page 4 of the 3.6 readme PDF: [ATTACH]26913[/ATTACH] Carl (and others) It was obviously the words "read me" that I have been finding confusing. It is however strange that on their main website, they do not list the M8 as a supported camera. Just before I try it can you tell me - do you have to convert via DNG converter or does it read the DNG files straight into PSE? Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 23, 2007 Author Share #8 Posted February 23, 2007 Wilson, I think Camera Raw supports the M8 since Version 3.6. http://www.adobe.com/special/photoshop/camera_raw/Camera_Raw_3.6_ReadMe.pdf Look at page 4 of the pdf. Usually I develop my dngs with C1, but I have done so with PSE, too. Stefan I have just tried and failed with PSE4. I have the latest version of Camera RAW 3.7 installed and DNG converter. I am running Image capture. My usual JPEG workflow is to start Image Capture, connect the camera and switch on. iPhoto then starts and loads the images via Image Capture. the images can then be played with in PSE4, which is my dedicated editor for iPhoto. In this case I get a dialog box which says that it cannot load the DNG files from the camera as they are an unrecognised file type or may not contain valid data. It loaded the associated JPEG's OK. Neither Adobe Bridge, C1 nor Finder can "see" the M8, so I am not sure how to get the images into the computer directly. The last twice I have read DNG's, I used my Macally USB hub/Card Reader into C1 but that reader has now gone off with a load of my stuff to France. I have tried two different Macs with the same result - Help!!!!! Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted February 23, 2007 Share #9 Posted February 23, 2007 You really need to buy another CF/SD/whatever Card Reader and stop using the camera to transfer images to the computer. As to the Adobe site not listing the M8, it is there, right on the supported cameras page at the bottom under Native DNG cameras. I have just tried and failed with PSE4. I have the latest version of Camera RAW 3.7 installed and DNG converter. I am running Image capture. My usual JPEG workflow is to start Image Capture, connect the camera and switch on. iPhoto then starts and loads the images via Image Capture. the images can then be played with in PSE4, which is my dedicated editor for iPhoto. In this case I get a dialog box which says that it cannot load the DNG files from the camera as they are an unrecognised file type or may not contain valid data. It loaded the associated JPEG's OK. Neither Adobe Bridge, C1 nor Finder can "see" the M8, so I am not sure how to get the images into the computer directly. The last twice I have read DNG's, I used my Macally USB hub/Card Reader into C1 but that reader has now gone off with a load of my stuff to France. I have tried two different Macs with the same result - Help!!!!! Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 23, 2007 Author Share #10 Posted February 23, 2007 You really need to buy another CF/SD/whatever Card Reader and stop using the camera to transfer images to the computer.As to the Adobe site not listing the M8, it is there, right on the supported cameras page at the bottom under Native DNG cameras. So that is yet another piece of junk I have to carry around with me and then get the SD card out of the camera every time I want to transfer DNG files, then hook up the card reader, transfer the files and finally put the card back in the camera. What "genius" came up with that idea? I do hope you are wrong otherwise that is about the most stupid and incompetent bit of design I have come across, since driving a Trabant a few years ago. I cannot understand why they have set the camera up so that the card cannot be "seen" as an external drive, as they have on every other digital camera they make (don't know about the DMR). Does this problem only arise on Mac computers or do Windows users also suffer with this nonsense? If people are having to take the cards continuously in and out of their cameras, I am not surprised they are having "card problems". Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_h Posted February 23, 2007 Share #11 Posted February 23, 2007 Wilson it's actually good practise to take the card out of the camera. I prefer to keep my camera away from my PC and besides with the right card reader it's a lot faster... Regards Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted February 23, 2007 Share #12 Posted February 23, 2007 Wilson, people are trying to help you. Perhaps a little more thanks and a bit less anger would be the order of the day. The suggestion that you buy a card reader is an attempt to get you out of a short term problem. If you want to connect the camera to your Mac you'll need to carry a USB cable anyway, having a small SD reader hanging off the end of it is not going to make it much larger. I repeat this is intended as a short term solution. If you can't see the M8 when you connect it to your Mac it's perfectly possible that the problem lies with your Mac and not the M8 as I'm sure other people have done this successfully.We've already established that the latest version of ACR is documented by Adobe as supporting the M8, perhaps someone can help you with your other issues. I haven't connected my M8 to my Mac yet. My first question would be, is there any driver software that needs to be installed and have you installed it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 23, 2007 Author Share #13 Posted February 23, 2007 Wilson it's actually good practise to take the card out of the camera. I prefer to keep my camera away from my PC and besides with the right card reader it's a lot faster... Regards Jim Jim, Sorry but disagree with you there. If you are continuously moving, connecting and disconnecting something, the risk of getting a bad connection must eventually rise. In addition every time you take the card out, a tiny amount of dust is bound to get into the card slot. I blow mine out every time (well every time I remember) with a Giotto Rocket. If over the life of the camera, you are doing this hundreds of times to download DNG files, it will all accumulate and may well cause card reading problems or depending where the dust ends up, other mechanical and/or electrical problems. I don't have a problem with people doing that if that is their choice but I would choose not to and it looks as if Leica have not given me that option. I know you say it is faster to download from a card reader but if you factor the time to go and get the reader, hook it up, get the card out and then the reverse of the process, you would have to be reading quite a few files before your overall time would be quicker. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocker Posted February 23, 2007 Share #14 Posted February 23, 2007 Jim, Sorry but disagree with you there. You obviously have the right to disagree. I don't know how long you have been using high end digital cameras but I've been using them for over 4 years now. All I have read - from people who know much better than I do - is that using cards in a card reader is the best option. So you can disagree but you are wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted February 23, 2007 Share #15 Posted February 23, 2007 It's not a camera problem, IT IS a Mac/Apple problem. Funny but my Windows XP Pro PC sees the M8 no problem. So either buy another card reader or buy a Windows PC. Your choice, or I guess you could call Steve Jobs and complain. Jim, Sorry but disagree with you there. If you are continuously moving, connecting and disconnecting something, the risk of getting a bad connection must eventually rise. In addition every time you take the card out, a tiny amount of dust is bound to get into the card slot. I blow mine out every time (well every time I remember) with a Giotto Rocket. If over the life of the camera, you are doing this hundreds of times to download DNG files, it will all accumulate and may well cause card reading problems or depending where the dust ends up, other mechanical and/or electrical problems. I don't have a problem with people doing that if that is their choice but I would choose not to and it looks as if Leica have not given me that option. I know you say it is faster to download from a card reader but if you factor the time to go and get the reader, hook it up, get the card out and then the reverse of the process, you would have to be reading quite a few files before your overall time would be quicker. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen.s1 Posted February 23, 2007 Share #16 Posted February 23, 2007 My Mac Pro has no problems whatsoever with DNG files. I usually load them into a temp folder on my desktop, then they get sorted to Lightroom or Bridge. As far as a card reader goes, It's far quicker than waiting for the camera to download your images. I've been doing this with dig cameras for many years. Never a card or connex problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 23, 2007 Author Share #17 Posted February 23, 2007 Wilson, people are trying to help you. Perhaps a little more thanks and a bit less anger would be the order of the day. The suggestion that you buy a card reader is an attempt to get you out of a short term problem. If you want to connect the camera to your Mac you'll need to carry a USB cable anyway, having a small SD reader hanging off the end of it is not going to make it much larger. I repeat this is intended as a short term solution. If you can't see the M8 when you connect it to your Mac it's perfectly possible that the problem lies with your Mac and not the M8 as I'm sure other people have done this successfully.We've already established that the latest version of ACR is documented by Adobe as supporting the M8, perhaps someone can help you with your other issues. I haven't connected my M8 to my Mac yet. My first question would be, is there any driver software that needs to be installed and have you installed it? Steve, Sorry if I seem to be angry and frustrated but very little with my M8 seems to be working quite the way I had hoped. First the coding issue, then SD card problem, then flash problems and now the DNG. The Leica manual is sadly very little help and actually has a mistranslation from German to English, where it asks you to have the program "Digital Pictures" running when it actually means "Image Capture" . There is no other help or reference to Mac in the manual. I cannot really believe Leica mean you to take the card out every time you want to read DNG's or thinking about it, they would have given you a card reader. What if I had taken the camera on one of my trips to a remoter part of the world and decided I want to take in RAW/DNG. It would have come as a bit of a blow to find I could not get any of them out of the camera. I am glad I have found out now. I have bought on eBay a little SD card reader for a massive £3-50 including P&P but I would still much rather not have to take it with me or use it. I would actually have preferred to have had the option to be able to charge the battery inside the camera, so I would not have had to open the base at all, when I am in environments that are less than friendly to electronics. I have now been waiting for Nobby Clarke of Leica UK to call me back for over a day on this. His phone always seems to be on voice mail. The camera connects OK to the computer, as I can read in JPEG's but having read some other posts on other Apple Mac forums, it would seem that Image Capture cannot read DNG's. this would not be a problem if either Photoshop or C1 could see the camera but I just cannot get them to do so. Not surprising if Finder can't see it. There are no drivers as such on the CD's supplied. You will see in a post above - my self-deprecating comment about failing to read the "read-me" from Adobe. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted February 23, 2007 Author Share #18 Posted February 23, 2007 My Mac Pro has no problems whatsoever with DNG files. I usually load them into a temp folder on my desktop, then they get sorted to Lightroom or Bridge. As far as a card reader goes, It's far quicker than waiting for the camera to download your images. I've been doing this with dig cameras for many years. Never a card or connex problem. Steve, Are you able to do this direct from the camera? I have been able to do it from my Macally card reader with no problems, it is only direct camera to Mac that I can't. If you are able to do it direct, any hints as to how would be appreciated. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen.s1 Posted February 23, 2007 Share #19 Posted February 23, 2007 Wilson, I've never tried to connect the camera to the computer. The card reader I use is a little (1.3x2") thing; card goes in one end and the other end plugs into the computer. It's made by Lexar and came with my 2 gig card. When it's plugged in (and there's no reason this wouldn't work if it were your camera usb cord) you'll see a hard drive icon on your desktop.. Probably not labled with camera or card. Click on it until you see icons representing your pix. What you do with 'em after that is your biz... g'luck Stephen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillBrittain Posted February 23, 2007 Share #20 Posted February 23, 2007 I'm using ACR 3.6 to process M8 DNG files with no issues. It's not my intention to pile on in the card reader debate, but I'll say that I certainly wouldn't think of getting my files onto my PC in any other way. I've been using digital cameras for six years now, and have never had a problem with card readers. They are much faster and are very inexpensive. Because I shoot in the studio a lot, I can pop the card into a reader and get back to shooting, rather than have my camera tied up waiting for the files to transfer to the PC. I'm looking forward to receiving my new MacBook Pro, which has an ExpressCard slot. I'll use a reader in that slot that is flush with the laptop's body, so that essentially I'm just plugging the card straight into the computer. I actually had to look at my M8 to see if there is a USB port on there. I see there is! It never occurred to me to use a cable to transfer my files since I am so happy with card readers. Also, my R-D1 has not other facility for transferring images. Either way (USB vs. Reader) you're making and breaking electrical connections. These little SD cards are so reliable and there's no risk of bending pins, as there is on Compact Flash cards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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