Guest imported_torben Posted January 1, 2012 Share #1 Posted January 1, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) After receiving the lots I won at their 39th auction (SEP 2011) I, once again, found defective or sub-standard items compared to their descriptions Looking back at my previous activities (1st lot won at Auction 33, JUN 2009) I see a systematic discrepancy between descriptions and items’ condition; always in the favor of LP. E.g. lately a defective Leicameter MR, a Leica M1 with vulcanite damages not mentioned in LP’s description, and a loaded Hasselblad film back, which documents that their descriptions are poetry not based upon examination Stay away (if you can’t inspect before bidding) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ulrik Posted January 1, 2012 Share #2 Posted January 1, 2012 You are describing a general phenomena that I am observing for a while. Many dealers do not examine the gear that they are selling but describe their items as "fully functional" or whatsoever. Inspection and the trouble of returning the stuff is put on the buyer. I guess dealers hope that the cameras are just put on display without further inspection. From another dealer I just recently received a "perfectly working, Leica IIIc, inspected and calibrated before shipping" that had a horizontally and vertically misaligned, foggy rangefinder and also the film of the previous user was still inside. It would be easy to make a long list of unreliable dealers. (And I would have quite some comments to add to a highly praised Leica repairman who has not been able within two years to service a not much used Leica MD so that the shutter works on all times). Sometimes it is frustrating. Ulrik Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_torben Posted January 6, 2012 Share #3 Posted January 6, 2012 You are describing a general phenomena that I am observing for a while. Many dealers do not examine the gear that they are selling but describe their items as "fully functional" or whatsoever. Inspection and the trouble of returning the stuff is put on the buyer. I guess dealers hope that the cameras are just put on display without further inspection. From another dealer I just recently received a "perfectly working, Leica IIIc, inspected and calibrated before shipping" that had a horizontally and vertically misaligned, foggy rangefinder and also the film of the previous user was still inside. It would be easy to make a long list of unreliable dealers. (And I would have quite some comments to add to a highly praised Leica repairman who has not been able within two years to service a not much used Leica MD so that the shutter works on all times). Sometimes it is frustrating. Ulrik Always! I feel; mostly because to do it for the money (my money that is(!)) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_torben Posted January 14, 2012 Share #4 Posted January 14, 2012 Always! I feel; mostly because to do it for the money (my money that is(!)) correction: "to do" read "they do" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_torben Posted January 14, 2012 Share #5 Posted January 14, 2012 Always! I feel; mostly because to do it for the money (my money that is(!)) correction: read 'they do' for 'to do' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_torben Posted January 17, 2012 Share #6 Posted January 17, 2012 So, now they are at it again (new auctions coming up) They now hardly declare the functionality of the items Except 'seems to be a nice.....' And items are still described incorrectly/falsely, e.g. a 'Leicameter MR4' that was never anything like that (for more reasons) So, stay away (or inspect on site before bidding) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matlep Posted January 17, 2012 Share #7 Posted January 17, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thanks for the heads up. It also seems that have rather high starting prices. But they seem to sell most of it anyways... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted January 17, 2012 Share #8 Posted January 17, 2012 i have spent too much time at estate auctions- and have seen this sort of thing time and again. Last year I bid online at a Leica sale here in Australia- I ended up with an M2 that was described as full function/mint condition- shutter is totally jammed and camera is not mint. But I found a Zeiss Stereotar C lens at the bottom of a box of odds and ends that I paid very little for... So you win some: you lose some. Basically if you don't inspect before the auction there is always a risk- and try complaining after the fact: forget about it- they don't care and you have signed a waiver.... if you can't inspect- at least don't bid too high... At an auction you should be getting a good price- after all- no returns is the norm. But it can be easy to get caught up in the bidding and end up paying a high price- for what turns out to be defective goods... there is a handy old Roman rule one should recall as they bid: Caveat Emptor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericborgstrom Posted January 17, 2012 Share #9 Posted January 17, 2012 I have bought from LP Foto Auctions twice. Lenses received as described and without problem. Don´t unnecessarily flame them. A description of your problems goes a long way. Eric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgenper Posted January 17, 2012 Share #10 Posted January 17, 2012 I have bought from LP Foto Auctions twice. Lenses received as described and without problem. ... Second that. As an example, my Summicron 75 was bought at one of their auctions, in absolutely mint condition, and working flawlessly; focus is spot-on. I use it all the time, and I saved a packet compared to buying new. I´ve bought and sold through them quite a few times. and I won´t hesitate to do it again. But actually inspecting the items is recommended (I live in Stockholm, so it´s no problem doing that). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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