tjphoto Posted February 22, 2007 Share #61 Â Posted February 22, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, as someone who shoots stock for getty images. I can can tell you how important 10fps is. How long does a spontaneous smile last? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted February 22, 2007 Share #62 Â Posted February 22, 2007 The image quality of the M8 continues to blow me away. I seriously doubt that this new Canon camera can beat it, perhaps only in the noise department. Â I can't see any reason why I would disagree ... BUT, the M8 could have been even better! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted February 22, 2007 Share #63 Â Posted February 22, 2007 Well, as someone who shoots stock for getty images. I can can tell you how important 10fps is. How long does a spontaneous smile last? Â All you need is a candy bar, and my kids would do it as long as I wish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macusque Posted February 22, 2007 Share #64 Â Posted February 22, 2007 The dustbuster feature is not effective on the Canon 400D. Several online tests have show this. The one on the 1D3 looks to be of the same type. I used a 400D for a while and its autocleaning sensor worked quite well indeed. Â As far a 1.3 crop factor being a good balance, it has to do with pixel density, not crop factor. The old 1D2, a 1.3 crop, has the same pixel density as my 5D. I could crop down to 1.3 and get the same 8MP image. Agreed, this is why the 1DIII has 10.1 Mp, which equals to a 16.5 Mp full frame = same 1DsII pixel density, but at 10 fps. Nice for sport and wildlife photography. Â I suspect the higher ISO's will have a substantial amount of noise reduction applied, ala the D2X. Why ? Canon is usually quite good at high ISOs. Â The samples published are unimpressive. The eagle in flight has no fine detail, and there is noise on the white toned neck at ISO 800. I agree, the wedding image taken with the 35L has no fine detail also... and knowing how the 35/1.4L performs at f/2.8 (at least on my old 1Ds), there's clearly something wrong with these samples, at least I hope for Canon... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 22, 2007 Share #65 Â Posted February 22, 2007 At 10fps at say, 1/100th your shutter is open for only 10% of the time. That means one has a 90% chance of missing the shot, an old pro told me years ago, when serious motor drives started to get out. However, since then I have seen many great shots taken that would have been missed without a fast camera. Still it stuck in my mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjphoto Posted February 22, 2007 Share #66 Â Posted February 22, 2007 And another thing before you start dissing the canons any more. They have changed the way a lot of people shoot. No longer do you need to lug two thousand pounds of lighting equipment to locations. The high ISO files these cameras produce are unequaled . Not just canon, but nikon too. I have one on order . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
passion Posted February 22, 2007 Share #67  Posted February 22, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Follow this link and you can listen to the delicate sound of Canon's new top camera... Video présentation EOS-1D Mark III - Focus Numérique  How does that compare to the M8?  Cheers )  BTW they also show the live view mode Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 22, 2007 Share #68 Â Posted February 22, 2007 I agree. I shoot wildlife with a Canon too. I'm happy about this camera. It may bring down the price on used 5D's. Â And another thing before you start dissing the canons any more. They have changed the way a lot of people shoot. No longer do you need to lug two thousand pounds of lighting equipment to locations. The high ISO files these cameras produce are unequaled . Not just canon, but nikon too. I have one on order . Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted February 22, 2007 Share #69  Posted February 22, 2007 At 10fps at say, 1/100th your shutter is open for only 10% of the time. That means one has a 90% chance of missing the shot, an old pro told me years ago, when serious motor drives started to get out.However, since then I have seen many great shots taken that would have been missed without a fast camera. Still it stuck in my mind.  Yes and no. I used to shoot race car photography without a motor drive and I can tell you that I missed a lot of shots. After all, even the minimal delay between pressing the release and the actual opening of the shutter is a big factor. But you can get this down and anticipate if you know where the action will be and it is very brief. See this example shot using single frame shooting:  http://goldsteinphoto.com/ajgblueangels.jpg  I really am not sure if I could have done this with 10 fps. In the case of a jet, it moves pretty far in 1/10th of a second. At the time, my camera only did about 3 fps and I knew that wouldn't cut it. 10 fps might be worth a test. And I think I'd get more "keepers."  On this day, I was able to get an image of the jets closing one out of three tries. On a previous shooting with a film camera, I think I got about 2 out of three. I would follow one jet from the right and keep a lookout for the other out of the corner of my eye from the left. At a certain point, I pressed the shutter release, but it must be instinctive as I couldn't really see the second plane in the frame or think about it. I like to test my reaction times. And someties it just comes down to luck, 10 fps or single frame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted February 22, 2007 Share #70 Â Posted February 22, 2007 And another thing before you start dissing the canons any more. They have changed the way a lot of people shoot. No longer do you need to lug two thousand pounds of lighting equipment to locations. The high ISO files these cameras produce are unequaled QUOTE]Â The high ISO comes in handy for some things, but I still usually need to use lots of lights to create the effects I want. I mostly use ISO 100 for my interior work. I often use just as many lights as when I shot 4x5 but they don't have to be as powerful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddp Posted February 22, 2007 Share #71 Â Posted February 22, 2007 The high ISO files these cameras produce are unequaled . Not just canon, but nikon too. I have one on order . Â Which Nikon? I take it you're a Canon shooter - and they clearly have an edge on Nikon at higher ISO's. Nikon falls short in this area and they have for some time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted February 22, 2007 Share #72 Â Posted February 22, 2007 Canons are my mainstay wedding cameras. Every one I've had has been bullet proof, and have never failed me. Do I love them? No. They are a tool that delivers what I need, when I need it, every-time. Â I already ordered the MKIII, and will expect great things from it ... 10 meg is plenty for this type work, especially now at 14 bit. The live 3" LCD review will be a handy item when composing formals. The vastly increased number of more sensitive AF cross sensors (now 19) will help when off-center framing the 50/1.2 and 85/1.2. The self cleaning sensor will help because I swap lenses frequently. 10FPS I could care less about, but what I do like is the vastly increase buffer and write speed when I may need it. Available ISO 6400 should be interesting given Canon's leadership in high ISO capture. Â BTW, it still simultaneously shoots to 2 cards which includes SDHC which is an important feature when shooting one time images like at a wedding. And it is now lighter because it uses a new battery 1/2 the size of the previous one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJL Posted February 22, 2007 Share #73 Â Posted February 22, 2007 At 10fps at say, 1/100th your shutter is open for only 10% of the time. That means one has a 90% chance of missing the shot, an old pro told me years ago, when serious motor drives started to get out.However, since then I have seen many great shots taken that would have been missed without a fast camera. Still it stuck in my mind. Â As is true with all DSLRs and SLRs, if you are seeing the shot you want in the viewfinder, you have missed the capture. Like any other aspect of shooting, timing is important, and one must work on it to get that right moment. Blasting away does not mean you will get the shot you want, and I discourage this a lot with other shooters I work with. You just wind up with lots of image files, and usually have to settle for one of the frames in the sequence that may or may not hit the moment. I usually shoot two shot bursts, just a fraction before the pinnacle moment I want to capture. That does a couple of things....gets me more focused on my timing, and also lets the camera take over for AF tracking, exposure and all that to yield much sharper images. These new systems are pretty amazing, and when coupled with careful timing and compostion, you can get some spectacular results. Â LJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted February 22, 2007 Share #74 Â Posted February 22, 2007 This canon is going to make a lot of people happy as well as making their job easier.. Good luck and enjoy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted February 22, 2007 Share #75 Â Posted February 22, 2007 I'm trying to think of the last time I needed to shoot something at 6400 ISO, or the last time I needed a burst of 30 RAW files. Â Personally, I'm getting tired of Nikon and Canon bringing out new models that try to seduce me into thinking what I now use is obsolete. I'm ignoring this stuff and the next time I buy a new model it will be to replace one that has broken down beyond repair. Â Now then, why are we even talking about Canon cameras on the Leica forum??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted February 22, 2007 Share #76 Â Posted February 22, 2007 ROTFLMAO, this thread can go on for days maybe weeks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted February 22, 2007 Share #77  Posted February 22, 2007 Now then, why are we even talking about Canon cameras on the Leica forum???.. because people like to discuss what is out there,a comprehensive view does have advantages over a overtly closed outlook......click, click click.    seems like a very popular thread as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted February 22, 2007 Share #78  Posted February 22, 2007 .. because people like to discuss what is out there,a comprehensive view does have advantages over a overtly closed outlook......click, click click.    seems like a very popular thread as well  That's what the Canon User Forum is for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJL Posted February 22, 2007 Share #79 Â Posted February 22, 2007 I'm trying to think of the last time I needed to shoot something at 6400 ISO, or the last time I needed a burst of 30 RAW files. Â I take it that you have never tried to shoot highschool athletics in an indoor setting then. The poor lighting is compounded by multiple aged sources that make WB a nightmare, let alone bright enough to keep shutter speeds high enough to freeze any action without a flash (sometimes not allowed, as with girls volleyball). Being able to crank up the ISO one more stop can make a huge difference, especially since the 200 f1.8L is no longer made, and shooting in RAW at least gives you a chance to recover color balance over JPEGs. Â But if you do not ever need to do this kind of shooting, then this tool may not be what you need. Fair enough. Â LJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJL Posted February 22, 2007 Share #80 Â Posted February 22, 2007 That's what the Canon User Forum is for. Â Â Respectfully, Brent, there is a lot of discussion going on there already. This is but one thread here, and it does bring some perspective and value for folks wondering what all the hoopla is about, as well as thinking about what kinds of things could be incorporated into other Leica cameras, such as any future R. Not that Leica is competing with Canon or Nikon directly there (they really are, though), but it provides some exposure (pun intended) to the sorts of features and technologies that some shooters may need and want. Would I like to see an R10, R11 or whatever with some of these capabilities and paired with Leica glass? You betcha! Â LJ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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