sach Posted December 12, 2011 Share #1 Posted December 12, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Does anyone know if Leica will be raising the prices next year in the UK? I just called up a dealer to express my interest in a lens and was told Leica might be raising the price next year, so he recommended I pay in advance to lock it to this year's prices. Of course this could have been a tactic to secure my money but at the same time, he sounded concerned and maybe was just being cautious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted December 12, 2011 Share #2 Posted December 12, 2011 More than a possibility, rather a likelyhood that Leica will raise the prices. I think the dealer was sincerely considering your interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sach Posted December 12, 2011 Author Share #3 Posted December 12, 2011 I'm happy to pay a deposit but with Christmas and holiday in Jan I'm not quite ready to pay the full whack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted December 12, 2011 Share #4 Posted December 12, 2011 Wasn't there a thread recently discussing the fact that Leica have already announced 2012 prices? (I would do a search but I'm on my iPhone at the mo'. ) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 12, 2011 Share #5 Posted December 12, 2011 I'm happy to pay a deposit but with Christmas and holiday in Jan I'm not quite ready to pay the full whack. I can see that, but in general a deposit does not protect you against price rises, but paying in full does. Not just with camera gear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sach Posted December 12, 2011 Author Share #6 Posted December 12, 2011 @Keith I think the price rise announcement recently was only meant for the US market. @jaapv I totally understand the reasoning behind that. All I'm saying is that I wasn't expecting a price rise (wishful thinking?) so I was only going to put a deposit down but with the threat of it happening, I may have to gather some capital somehow! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted December 12, 2011 Share #7 Posted December 12, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) ...All I'm saying is that I wasn't expecting a price rise (wishful thinking?) so I was only going to put a deposit down but with the threat of it happening, I may have to gather some capital somehow! This is a tough call. Much depends on your need for a new lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted December 12, 2011 Share #8 Posted December 12, 2011 You can add "Annual Leica Price Increases" to those other two certainties in life - death and taxes... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted December 13, 2011 Share #9 Posted December 13, 2011 I can see that, but in general a deposit does not protect you against price rises, but paying in full does. Not just with camera gear. Really? Why pay a deposit? The question is, at what point is the contract formed. You make an order, the seller accepts your order and you pay a deposit. Arguably, there is a contract, and the price fixed at that point. That is, of course, a supposition where the law steps in and provides certainty. There is an international treaty on sale of goods, which would suggest that, having had an order accepted, the price is fixed, and you are committed to buy (and the seller to sell) at that price within a reasonable time. Adding a deposit simply reinforces that position. Consumer legislation may be different in The Netherlands, but it is out of step with International Convention, if it is. The acid test is, do you feel committed to complete the purchase when the seller tells you the lens has arrived? Having paid a deposit, I would have thought so. What would your reaction be if the seller phoned you and said, sorry sold the lens to some one else, here's your deposit back? Thought so, you'd be annoyed - rather suggests a contract, and with a contract goes a price. So, if you have an order confirmed, a deposit (and presumably a receipt) it should record the price. Check for "terms and conditions on the back, and subject to what they say, if the seller tries to pass on a price increase, insist on the original, agreed price. IN this country, you would have additional protection from the Consumer Guarantees Act - there will be similar legislation near you! Cheers John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivar B Posted December 13, 2011 Share #10 Posted December 13, 2011 Wasn't there a thread recently discussing the fact that Leica have already announced 2012 prices? (I would do a search but I'm on my iPhone at the mo'. ) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk There was a thread showing the new US prices, and as I recall the increase was in the range $100 - 500. It seems very unlikely that Leica will increase prices in one market only as this will result in customers just buying outside their home markets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 13, 2011 Share #11 Posted December 13, 2011 Really? Why pay a deposit? The question is, at what point is the contract formed. You make an order, the seller accepts your order and you pay a deposit. Arguably, there is a contract, and the price fixed at that point. That is, of course, a supposition where the law steps in and provides certainty. There is an international treaty on sale of goods, which would suggest that, having had an order accepted, the price is fixed, and you are committed to buy (and the seller to sell) at that price within a reasonable time. Adding a deposit simply reinforces that position. Consumer legislation may be different in The Netherlands, but it is out of step with International Convention, if it is. The acid test is, do you feel committed to complete the purchase when the seller tells you the lens has arrived? Having paid a deposit, I would have thought so. What would your reaction be if the seller phoned you and said, sorry sold the lens to some one else, here's your deposit back? Thought so, you'd be annoyed - rather suggests a contract, and with a contract goes a price. So, if you have an order confirmed, a deposit (and presumably a receipt) it should record the price. Check for "terms and conditions on the back, and subject to what they say, if the seller tries to pass on a price increase, insist on the original, agreed price. IN this country, you would have additional protection from the Consumer Guarantees Act - there will be similar legislation near you! Cheers John Over here, the terms and conditions usually allow the seller to adjust the price if not paid in full. There is no legislation preventing this afaik. However, I would not pay a deposit on a lens, except maybe a token one in a shop wher I am unknown and a camera shop would not ask for it, it would lose the customer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted December 13, 2011 Share #12 Posted December 13, 2011 I think that the issue of securing a certain price can be frankly discussed with the dealer... two years ago, at my dealer, I signed (and the dealer too) an order at a certain price, paid a 25% deposit, and at arrival of the item simply paid the rest : if I remember well, price did NOT increase in the meantime, but the dealer told me that anyway I had the price definitely stated by the order. Btw... when it's ME that sell the goods and services provided by my Company, the above rule is always applied : order commands prices, except if specifically detailed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted December 14, 2011 Share #13 Posted December 14, 2011 Over here, the terms and conditions usually allow the seller to adjust the price if not paid in full. There is no legislation preventing this afaik. However, I would not pay a deposit on a lens, except maybe a token one in a shop wher I am unknown and a camera shop would not ask for it, it would lose the customer. True. I have never paid a deposit, and the dealer I use in Christchurch (Photo & Video) has served me well (I got my Summilux 35 ASPH (FLE) last week, and I'd been waiting only a couple of months), as has Ken Hansen. In terms of paying deposits, if that is the standard practice in The Netherlands, I can't see any point in paying a deposit if it doesn't result in a binding contract. As you say, in most jurisdictions, terms and conditions prevail. Cheers John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted December 14, 2011 Share #14 Posted December 14, 2011 Paying a deposit should do two things: 1. Indicate to the dealer that you are serious about purchasing the item from that dealer; simply saying "put me on your list for x" really means nothing to either party. 2. Fix the price to be paid at the point of placing the deposit (shipping excepted). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted December 14, 2011 Share #15 Posted December 14, 2011 Paying a deposit should do two things:1. Indicate to the dealer that you are serious about purchasing the item from that dealer; simply saying "put me on your list for x" really means nothing to either party. 2. Fix the price to be paid at the point of placing the deposit (shipping excepted). Correct... point 2 deserves some emoticon ( ... ) but it is so... there is not a direct relation between deposit and price at delivery... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted December 15, 2011 Share #16 Posted December 15, 2011 There is a new Price List effective 8/12/11 for the UK as a download on the Lieca Mayfair site. As has been previously discussed,my Dealer says this will not effect any lens for which a firm order is placed. It also effects lenses differentially in terms of increase (or not) . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted December 15, 2011 Share #17 Posted December 15, 2011 Looks like between 2 and 8% on lenses The 21 and 24 Summiliux's at the top end. Most look to be 3-5% Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert blu Posted December 17, 2011 Share #18 Posted December 17, 2011 My dealer said that Leica already announced a price increase for Italy in 2012...and availability of a few items more. robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted December 17, 2011 Share #19 Posted December 17, 2011 Correct... point 2 deserves some emoticon ( ... ) but it is so... there is not a direct relation between deposit and price at delivery... So you are implying that even though there is an firm order, the dealer is at liberty to increase the price when the item is (finally) delivered? IMO that is not good practice at all. The item has been ordered at a stated price and that must be the price at delivery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted December 17, 2011 Share #20 Posted December 17, 2011 Back in the mid 1980's, I put a deposit on a Porsche 911 (don't hold that against me). By law at the time, the dealer had to hold to the price. I confirmed this at time of purchase since I knew prices were soaring and I didn't want to get stuck with an increase later. (I don't recall the legal basis, but I think it was a US state-specific law at the time.) Eight months went by and the dealer never got my car; I think he was waiting for me to walk away to another dealer. I then got a salesperson to confidentially tell me that the dealer took delivery on my car months earlier and was using it as his personal vehicle. I kept the story private, but told the dealer that I was not going anywhere and insisted on their living up to the deal. I had a new car within the next month...at almost $6000 less than the then current order price. I have no idea if this law still pertains, let alone whether it applies to anything other than autos. My guess is that most products are covered only by written agreements between seller and purchaser. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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