dwbell Posted December 10, 2011 Share #61 Posted December 10, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) an unnecessary luxury I consider all my Leica gear to be the above! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 10, 2011 Posted December 10, 2011 Hi dwbell, Take a look here M9 and M9-P, the End of an Era. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
thighslapper Posted December 11, 2011 Share #62 Posted December 11, 2011 What about DoF? yes.... what about it ??? apart from portrait focal lengths (50-90 say) it seems a bit pointless to me. ... and most manufacturers only have a couple of ultra low f lenses in this range specifically for that purpose. quite why you would want shallow dof in a wide angle lens eludes me...... as by definition it won't be genuinely shallow anyway given the laws of optics.... the name noctilux gives you a clue as to the prime objective of Leica in designing and making these lenses.... without the need to combat low light optically, as it is done in camera, they all become a bit superfluous.... nice... but not really necessary.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 11, 2011 Share #63 Posted December 11, 2011 Shallow DOF may be pointless, but it still was the main reason I spent an amazing amount of money on a Summilux 24... But then I am well known for being pointless most of the time. it is exactly the combination of a shallow DOF and a wideangle perspective that make the wide Summiluxes so unique. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robofc Posted December 11, 2011 Share #64 Posted December 11, 2011 Hi, My ideal M10 would have a D3s sensor in a sealed body that looks and is as thin as the MP3. It would return to chrome and lacquer, and have a 900K screen. They need to use the MP rewind knob as an ISO adjuster. I find the red, lit frame lines of the M9T to be distracting and prefer they remain as they are. Ideally, I would like a magnifying viewfinder ala Contax G2. with a wide (21, 24, 28), standard (35, 50), and telephoto (75, 90) frame lines. Unless they can improve the 2 fps rate I would prefer they went back to the old shutter. It was much nicer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 11, 2011 Share #65 Posted December 11, 2011 You might not like the corners of that sensor:rolleyes: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted December 11, 2011 Share #66 Posted December 11, 2011 ...why you would want shallow dof in a wide angle lens eludes me...... as by definition it won't be genuinely shallow anyway given the laws of optics... Hard to follow you here. Perhaps you don't like optical blur. Even a 'slow' lens like the Elmarit 21/2.8 asph makes a difference compared to the Skopar 21/4 in my experience. Or the Summicron 28/2 compared to the Elmarit 28/2.8 asph. Let alone 21/1.4 or 24/1.4 Summiluxes i have no experience with. Would be quite a pity to reduce the artistic value of Leica lenses by limiting their speed IMHO. There are plenty of nikanopus entry zooms for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted December 11, 2011 Share #67 Posted December 11, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Personally there is only 2 changes I would really like and that would be focus confirmation and a better screen. I had thought I would really want all the info that I can get in the finder with my X100 but I find I have most of it turned off as it gets in the way of clean and clear composition. I do though love the hybrid finder when I switch to the EVF for precise framing close up so this would be a boon but I doubt it will happen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted December 11, 2011 Share #68 Posted December 11, 2011 I thought the M9 already has focus confirmation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted December 11, 2011 Share #69 Posted December 11, 2011 Shallow DOF may be pointless, but it still was the main reason I spent an amazing amount of money on a Summilux 24... But then I am well known for being pointless most of the time. it is exactly the combination of a shallow DOF and a wideangle perspective that make the wide Summiluxes so unique. Ditto with a Noctilux Anyway the fact that most humans are not strictly rational and tend to be attracted to glittering expensive objects means Leica would still sell a 35/0.9 if they ever made one.... even with a sensor/body that coped manfully with iso 30,000 and had every digital trick in the book available to produce perfect output....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted December 11, 2011 Share #70 Posted December 11, 2011 I thought the M9 already has focus confirmation. Of course it has. Silly me!!!! What I was trying to say was an electronic confirmation which could be useful with the telephoto end of the lens range. I have sold all my other camera gear (Nikon D700 etc) and now only have 2 M9's and X100 so I basically happy with the camera this was just a sort of wish!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 11, 2011 Share #71 Posted December 11, 2011 Ditto with a Noctilux Anyway the fact that most humans are not strictly rational and tend to be attracted to glittering expensive objects means Leica would still sell a 35/0.9 if they ever made one.... even with a sensor/body that coped manfully with iso 30,000 and had every digital trick in the book available to produce perfect output....... Not my thing, Noctilust. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted December 11, 2011 Share #72 Posted December 11, 2011 There is smoke about the future of Leica M but it doesn't appear to be coming from Leica. With the tremendous success of the M9 my take is that Leica will not move quickly away from it's mostly mechanical/analog-body M system. If they do I would look to a similar situation such as Nikon F3 availability for 20+ years. The only modification to the current M9 I would like is a lock for the 'off' position so it doesn't keep turning on in my crowded bag. A larger viewfinder would be nice, but my old-age and eye issues aren't a market maker. I'd bet a case of Guinness that the M9 platform will be around for a long time. Maybe it will get a faster processor and faster data bus, larger buffer. But the form factor will remain. Nikon F3? I had a champagne F3T (best finder ever except their optical sports finder) and gave it away last Summer because I had not used it in years. I'm positively $hocked by how popular it turns out to be! The new owner avoids me. I think he feels guilty or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 12, 2011 Share #73 Posted December 12, 2011 Ditto with a Noctilux Anyway the fact that most humans are not strictly rational and tend to be attracted to glittering expensive objects means Leica would still sell a 35/0.9 if they ever made one.... even with a sensor/body that coped manfully with iso 30,000 and had every digital trick in the book available to produce perfect output....... It would be a great lens and enter the 5-digit price territory, in € too not only in $. Can't imagine Blackstone to dismiss such a project. It would generate a long waiting list imo. Back to the body: for me 0.58 & 0.85 but EVIL no, thanks! While talking about Leica products I personally can do without (yes, I'm happy to have a 24mm Summilux - though metal lens shades are suboptimal, because unlike plastic ones they are not shock absorbers - and I would not buy a Noctilux, neither of 50mm nor of 35mm) but I'd regard as worthwhile for Leica: was the 9Ti 30% less expensive, then five times that many would have been sold imo, making that project more profitable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbaddley Posted December 12, 2011 Share #74 Posted December 12, 2011 If the last of the air cooled 911s represent the end of an era for Porsche, then I argue that the Ala-carte MP represents the end of an era for the M. Through the M6, M6-TTL, and M7, Leica continued to modernize features without harming quality. With the MP, Leica looked back to some of their classic best, if not most modern features (lacquer paint, old-style levers, all-mechanical, etc.) and with the ala-carte version, we could each have our own ideal machine, right down to viewfinder magnification. Without a lens, the M8/M9 feels lighter yet larger in the hand than previous Ms, and it doesn't feel as solid. If the motorized operation and the viewing screen aren't enough, one look at the plastic revealed upon removing the base-plate makes it clear that this is a different creature. Oh yeah, and there's the film/digital thing. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love shooting my M9 and I think it's a fabulous camera. I'm delighted by its traditional style, ergonomics, viewing/rangefinder system, and that, for the most part, it feels just like using any other M. But while keeping much of the good stuff, the M8 is really the beginning of a new era, and with the full-size sensor (etc), the M9 comes up to full-speed. - David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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