jc_braconi Posted November 12, 2011 Share #1 Posted November 12, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) some of the highlights: LOT 9 I Mod.A Elmar 'Calfskin' WestLicht Photographica Auction reached EUR 100.000 (Hammer price excl. Premium) LOT 137 MP black paint http://www.westlicht-auction.com/index.php?id=232043&acat=232043&offset=2&_ssl=off reached EUR 101.000 (Hammer price excl. Premium) and LOT 185 Leica UW Underwater housing WestLicht Photographica Auction reached EUR 125.000 (Hammer price excl. Premium) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 12, 2011 Posted November 12, 2011 Hi jc_braconi, Take a look here Westlich Auction is closing. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jaapv Posted November 12, 2011 Share #2 Posted November 12, 2011 I have a feeling Leica prices are following the gold bubble:rolleyes: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twotone Posted November 12, 2011 Share #3 Posted November 12, 2011 Bleeding hell, those German military M cameras sure too a bit of a beating in their previous life. Amazing prices for, essentially, beat up cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabears Posted November 12, 2011 Share #4 Posted November 12, 2011 Luckily ...if these are the prices during the financial crisis... cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted November 12, 2011 Share #5 Posted November 12, 2011 The prices make interesting reading ... WestLicht Photographica Auction ... and there are the 20% buyers' premiums to add. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted November 12, 2011 Share #6 Posted November 12, 2011 Bleeding hell, those German military M cameras sure too a bit of a beating in their previous life. Amazing prices for, essentially, beat up cameras. They are not just beaten up cameras - they have other 'attributes' and are not just olive green variants of regular models. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted November 12, 2011 Share #7 Posted November 12, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Interesting. I have just started to explore the possibility of purchasing a 1946 IIIC and have been looking on eBay, mainly to try to gauge what is available and typical prices, never having bought a LTM body before. Seeing the link to the Westlich auction and browsing the final prices, there do seem to be much better examples of pre-war cameras (eg items 44 and 46) that have gone for reasonable prices. But there again, by the time the 20% premium plus shipping plus possible duty/VAT has been added it could be a different story. Anyway, having now discovered the site, I will keep watch on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted November 12, 2011 Share #8 Posted November 12, 2011 Those Westlicht auctions are always "heat" just on the items I like...,,, so for the 5th time I was largely overbidded when, as usual, I tried just a "conservative" bid hoping for lack of interest... (this time, I tried the T-E 135 2,8 - liked the idea to have "for cheap" a last version - and, in moment of frenzy, the Compur Summicron...) Oh well - at least I had time ago my personal satisfaction with the Telyt 800.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted November 12, 2011 Author Share #9 Posted November 12, 2011 Luigi, How can you explain the value reached about this lens ? LOT 108 Hektor 4,5/13,5cm Schwarz/Chrom EUR 1.000 (Hammerpreis exkl. Premium) WestLicht Photographica Auction Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted November 12, 2011 Share #10 Posted November 12, 2011 Luigi,How can you explain the value reached about this lens ? LOT 108 Hektor 4,5/13,5cm Schwarz/Chrom EUR 1.000 (Hammerpreis exkl. Premium) WestLicht Photographica Auction Don't know... looks fine but not exceptional, box isn't uncommon (ok - matching number...) ... the only "special" (relatively) detail that comes to my mind is that it belongs to the (probably) last batch of black Hektors... do you see something special into it ? Hektor 13,5 is traditionally the "king of el-cheapo Leitz lenses"... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ron (Netherlands) Posted November 12, 2011 Share #11 Posted November 12, 2011 Luigi,How can you explain the value reached about this lens ? LOT 108 Hektor 4,5/13,5cm Schwarz/Chrom EUR 1.000 (Hammerpreis exkl. Premium) WestLicht Photographica Auction including cleaningmarks, they are I guess a free gift Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted November 12, 2011 Author Share #12 Posted November 12, 2011 Don't know... looks fine but not exceptional, box isn't uncommon (ok - matching number...) ... the only "special" (relatively) detail that comes to my mind is that it belongs to the (probably) last batch of black Hektors... do you see something special into it ? Hektor 13,5 is traditionally the "king of el-cheapo Leitz lenses"... in fact it belongs to the last but one, from a 2000 issues batch, from early 1949 699001-701000. the last batch is from the end of 1949 with 3000 issues 715001-718000 I have one idem from 1948 including cleaningmarks, they are I guess a free gift .......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 12, 2011 Share #13 Posted November 12, 2011 Interesting. I have just started to explore the possibility of purchasing a 1946 IIIC and have been looking on eBay, mainly to try to gauge what is available and typical prices, never having bought a LTM body before. Seeing the link to the Westlich auction and browsing the final prices, there do seem to be much better examples of pre-war cameras (eg items 44 and 46) that have gone for reasonable prices. But there again, by the time the 20% premium plus shipping plus possible duty/VAT has been added it could be a different story. Anyway, having now discovered the site, I will keep watch on it. Have a look at the Red Dot website. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted November 13, 2011 Share #14 Posted November 13, 2011 Some economic musings. – We have an essentially deflationary recession economy, threatening to develop into the Greater Depression. So hoarding your money should be the rational thing to do. Their value will tend to increase rather than decrease. Enormous amounts of money are in fact being 'hoarded' just now. U.S. big companies are sitting on vast amounts of Treasury bonds, far more than the Chinese do, because lack of large scale purchasing power means that they can find few profitable investments to make – especially at the yields that decades of speculation have led them to expect. But Germans are different. The German collective subconscious is dominated by the Inflation Monster. This ogre does always lurk under the bed, no matter the actual economic situation. Fear of the Inflation Monster does lie behind much of the German government's political stance in the present euro crisis, for instance. So many Germans distrust the euro and my feeling is that collector items, along with gold, are seen as a hedge against an imagined currency crash. Checked the gold price lately? The art market? It is a historical fact that luxury goods tend to fare better in a stagnant or depressed market than vital necessaries do. The great expansion of Leica sales occurred during the 1930's, the years of the Great Depression. Some people do always have money. Big money. Then as now. The old man from the Age of the First Depression Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted November 13, 2011 Share #15 Posted November 13, 2011 Some economic musings. – We have an essentially deflationary recession economy, threatening to develop into the Greater Depression. So hoarding your money should be the rational thing to do. This might be true in Sweden but most of us face the prospect of the purchasing power of money to continue going down the toilet. I don't think it will be too long before the ECB joins the US and UK central banks and starts printing money like it's going out of fashion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted November 13, 2011 Share #16 Posted November 13, 2011 Have a look at the Red Dot website. I am, I am! Also keeping an eye on offerings from people such as Peter Loy, CollectCameraNL, Ffordes, Aperture etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted November 13, 2011 Share #17 Posted November 13, 2011 The fact is that € - $ - Swedish crown exchange rates have been keeping remarkably stable during the whole crisis from 2008 on. So it doesn't seem that you are going down the inflation drain while we still cling to the grille – contrary to what the economy page shamans are claiming. If, instead of voodoo incantations, you want some facts and comments from a Nobel Prize winner – read Paul Krugman's blog on the New York Times. Or if you want a different Nobelist, ask Joe Stiglitz. Both have got their macro-economic basics right. Oh, I'll admit that the £ is a case to itself. That is what happens when a nation tries to make a living from moving digital zeros from one file to another while scrapping the real economy. The old man from the Age of the First Depression Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted November 13, 2011 Share #18 Posted November 13, 2011 Facts and Paul Krugman's commentary <=== oxymoron! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
someonenameddavid Posted November 13, 2011 Share #19 Posted November 13, 2011 I don't think Leica prices will keep pace with inflation: I recall the going price of a rim set compur B was around $US 9000 in 1985 which is quite a lot more than it is now. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted November 14, 2011 Share #20 Posted November 14, 2011 Facts and Paul Krugman's commentary <=== oxymoron! I won't spend many words on you because this is really O.T. I'll only say that if you actually bothered to read him, you would find that he does always scrupulously give his sources. Now if you would prefer to claim that official statistics from the Federal Reserve, the U.N. and the E.U. is actually propaganda from the Z.O.G., then you are of course free to do so – and we are free to judge you accordingly. The old man who was taught to respect facts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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