Guest Holy Moly Posted October 30, 2011 Share #21 Posted October 30, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Leica is pushing the RF concept beyond it's limits not because it's the best system. It's bacause they have nothing else....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lct Posted October 30, 2011 Share #22 Posted October 30, 2011 Leica is pushing the RF concept beyond it's limits not because it's the best system. It's bacause they have nothing else... What about the S2? Rangefinders and reflex cameras are two different concepts, some prefer RFs, others (d)SLRs, others like me use both but comparing them is like comparing apples with oranges imho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Holy Moly Posted October 30, 2011 Share #23 Posted October 30, 2011 The S2 is a much more niche product compare to digital Ms. The only high volume camera ( in terms of Leica numbers) is the digital M. Even the cheaper analogue M7/MPs are not really produced in higher numbers nor the X1 after it's first hype. 50 years ago it was quite the opposit, but then the race started... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 30, 2011 Share #24 Posted October 30, 2011 Leica has always sold more Ms than Rs if memory serves but i may be wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted October 30, 2011 Share #25 Posted October 30, 2011 But for those that want to remain with that traditional M feel and operation stick with the M9 because IMHO The current M has reached it's final evolution. Ken No, I think there is room for improvements. The classical M (with optical viewfinder and rangefinder) may benefit from a CMOS sensor with live view (macro photography, focus fine tuning), either with a clip on EVF or not. A new branch of M cameras is a possibility now: different materials and lower price, only electronic viewfinders or even AF lenses (no rangefinder in any case). But this is not the classic M camera anymore. It is a different thing based on the M system's basic parameters). The crucial point would be a partial interchangeability between those two sistems. I am sure that will happen. Maybe next year, maybe in the next 2-3 years, but it will happen. The key question now is if it makes sense to develop a different system (not the M) around a different (smaller) format and mount. I believe it does not make any sense, just because in the long term is impossible to be competitive. You have now, by means of adapters, different solutions (as good as the NEX-7), or even a solution with M mount (the Ricoh module). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfage Posted October 30, 2011 Share #26 Posted October 30, 2011 I saw one yesterday, in Edmonton. It's a mighty big brick. I will not buy one --not "just" because I don't have 8 grand laying around- but many of the features are of no use to me. For example, I don't need a machine that can take "umpteen" shots per second. I won't photograph people, I'm not interested in wildlife shooting, or sports, and I definitely -am not- interested in wedding photography. I'm sure it's a great machine but most of what it does, does not interest me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfage Posted October 30, 2011 Share #27 Posted October 30, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Leica is pushing the RF concept beyond it's limits not because it's the best system. It's bacause they have nothing else....... Agreed. It is not the "best" system. It is useful for a certain set of applications but not all. If I were left to the "you may have one, or the other, but not both" quandary, I would not go for the RF, for what " I " need to do. The majority of my shooting is done closer than the minimum focusing distance of a rangefinder. Therefore, generally speaking, the RF is no good to me. Given the expense of a machine like the M9 and the limitations of it, that camera would be a very bad investment... given the fact that an SLR will do "both" distances that I require. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted October 30, 2011 Share #28 Posted October 30, 2011 Well Colonel the Current M isn't that small The so-called mirrorless cameras are miniture wanna be DSLR with their interchangable lenses to emulate their serious big brothers, Check out the sales figures for DSLR. You missed my point, I said the body of the M, whilst small, is not that small and has plenty of room to grow functionality in all directions. Well the CSC is thrashing the DSLR for sales. The growth of the CSC is logarithmic. The only thing the DSLR is still better for is autofocus. But the E-PL3 shows that is going to be short lived. If the Sony Nex-7 lives up to expectations I would wonder why anyone would buy an APS-C DSLR again. There will still be a place for the 1DXs, but this might well be the last Canon professional DSLR with a mirror box. Two years ago, all the average Joes at work wanted to buy Canon 550Ds and Nikon D3100s, based on having good quality but not spending too much. All those guys are buying Sony Nex, Pany G*, Oly P* today .... go figure! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted October 30, 2011 Share #29 Posted October 30, 2011 Agreed. It is not the "best" system. It is useful for a certain set of applications but not all. If I were left to the "you may have one, or the other, but not both" quandary, I would not go for the RF, for what " I " need to do. The majority of my shooting is done closer than the minimum focusing distance of a rangefinder. Therefore, generally speaking, the RF is no good to me. Given the expense of a machine like the M9 and the limitations of it, that camera would be a very bad investment... given the fact that an SLR will do "both" distances that I require. No Leica is keeping the M series going as a prestige system. If you don't like, or want, or can appreciate, an RF system and the M process, don't buy it. Not sure your point here! If you have been living under a stone you wouldn't noticed that Leica is introducing a new APS-C CSC in March 2012 (or thereabouts) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfage Posted October 30, 2011 Share #30 Posted October 30, 2011 No Leica is keeping the M series going as a prestige system. If you don't like, or want, or can appreciate, an RF system and the M process, don't buy it. Not sure your point here! If you have been living under a stone you wouldn't noticed that Leica is introducing a new APS-C CSC in March 2012 (or thereabouts) Oooh! "Prestige". Sounds like a badge of honour. Am I in the presence of royalty? I 'have' an M, thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiver Posted November 1, 2011 Share #31 Posted November 1, 2011 Looking forward to putting my hands around this gorgeous creature.I dont care how much it cost, I want one, I desire one, I crave for one, must have one LoL "oh those sleepness nights once again" You have just summarized the feelings I get when I become inflamed with thoughts of a new (insert fetish of desire here). Especially the "oh those sleepless nights once again"! The number of times I have laid awake, mulling over some new camera or watch, is scary to contemplate. As for the 1Dx, I am sure it will be a superb camera. I don't crave for one in the same way that I craved for a M9, though. I have a 5D Mark II which handles my DSLR needs very nicely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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