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Greetings All,

 

Almost feels wrong to post this here but as there seems to be a fair amount of interest, thought it might be interesting:

 

Canon 1DX Preview | Photo This & That

 

My personal way of working is to shoot with two Leica Ms and occasionally add an SLR with a longer lens. The 1DX is pretty capable in this respect!!

 

Cheers,

 

Edmond

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Eighteen megapixels? No more than a M9? Does this mean that the megapixel race is over – or at least that Canon is opting out of it?

 

We also hear that double processors will reduce moiré. This sounds as if moiré is to be fought with software, not with a soft filter over the sensor. Has Canon seen the light?

 

The old man from the Age of Tri-X

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Eighteen megapixels? No more than a M9? Does this mean that the megapixel race is over – or at least that Canon is opting out of it?

 

We also hear that double processors will reduce moiré. This sounds as if moiré is to be fought with software, not with a soft filter over the sensor. Has Canon seen the light?

 

The old man from the Age of Tri-X

 

I certainly hope the megapixel war is over!

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Eighteen megapixels? No more than a M9? Does this mean that the megapixel race is over – or at least that Canon is opting out of it?

 

Eighteen megapixels... in exchange for more dynamic range and lower noise, and higher frame rate.

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I certainly hope the megapixel war is over!

 

I think it is not.

 

The market is maturing and, as a consequence, it is being fragmented in specialized segments.

 

The segment of the market able and wishing to buy a camera like the 1DX (or de Nikon D3s), does not need/want more resolution. They want and need different things.

 

The segment of the market looking for a 5D Mark III asks for more resolution, and so they will get. They don't need a full sealed body, integrated grip, ultrasophisticated mirror mechamism or 14 fps.

 

The problem for Leica is in designing a product for a particular niche or segment of the market. It is a real problem. For a M camera I would bet for moderate resolution but faster response and better dynamic range with lower noise. However, people will compare the M10 with the 5D Mark III, not the 1DX.

 

Let's see what is going on with the 5D Mark III and the Nikon D800...

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A senior technician at Kodak told me once that Kodachrome 64 had a theoretical megapixel count of 18 megapixels. That'll do me :-) One can certainly scan in a slide at a higher resolution, but the grain, is the same grain; it'll just have more pixels assigned to it!

Absolutely different segments; the 5D MkIII would suit someone who shoots with a Leica M much more than the 1DX would. Interesting times ahead!!

 

I think it is not.

 

The market is maturing and, as a consequence, it is being fragmented in specialized segments.

 

The segment of the market able and wishing to buy a camera like the 1DX (or de Nikon D3s), does not need/want more resolution. They want and need different things.

 

The segment of the market looking for a 5D Mark III asks for more resolution, and so they will get. They don't need a full sealed body, integrated grip, ultrasophisticated mirror mechamism or 14 fps.

 

The problem for Leica is in designing a product for a particular niche or segment of the market. It is a real problem. For a M camera I would bet for moderate resolution but faster response and better dynamic range with lower noise. However, people will compare the M10 with the 5D Mark III, not the 1DX.

 

Let's see what is going on with the 5D Mark III and the Nikon D800...

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I also agree that a 5D-3 would be a better option for me as to be truthful if I got the 1D-X, 50% of it's

Capabilities I would never use.

 

The Canon 5D -2 has a larger mirror box then the 1DS thus would not except some of my R lenses but the 1DS did.

Hopefully the same will apply with the 1D-X, perhaps Canon might take some pity on us R users (lol) and

anable their future pro models to accommodate our R lenses, this could be beneficial to them

as in the long term as our MF R lenses need replaceing we would replace them with AF Canon lenses.

 

One more to what I can add, if there is an M10 and be fitted with an Electronic viewfinder this could help our Predicament

as we would be able to view and focus through the EVF with our R lenses via an adapter and remain in the Leica stable.

 

So I can only hope that Next year (2012) something will eventuate for our beloved R lenses as at this time There is nothing on the Horizon.

 

Ken.

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...if there is an M10 and be fitted with an Electronic viewfinder this could help our Predicament as we would be able to view and focus through the EVF with our R lenses via an adapter and remain in the Leica stable...

Hi Ken, this could well be the famous "R solution"...

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Hello LCT.

 

Well I hope so I have been looking at this for quite a while now, and on my opinion.

 

This would benefit both R and M users as the basic M body has reached it's capabilities as Leica Engineers knew this back in 1964 thats why they devolped the SLR.

Only installing a light meter, Electronic shutter (M7) and an electronic image sensor M8/9 has given it a new lease in life as it's basic operational design has not changed.

 

However If Leica devolpes the M10 with an EVF then it's a new ball game.

 

With so many options opened up with EVF this could easly fit inside the body as you no longer need

those prisms or worrying about moving out of alignment.

 

You could easly have focus conformation via sensor and lens and live view, Macro lenses etc,

Another great feature because your're reading through the lens better metering could be featured.

 

if those M users object to all of this and not wanting to change their precious M, remember

so much negative feedback on this forum concerning that horrible Electronic shutter that required

BATTERIES to operate on the M7, unlike those good old MANUAL M models that would continue to operate with out Batteries, well times have changed with the M8/9, WHO is complaining now.

But for those that want to remain with that traditional M feel and operation stick with the M9 because IMHO The current M has reached it's final evolution.

 

Ken

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as the basic M body has reached it's capabilities as Leica Engineers knew this back in 1964 thats why they devolped the SLR.

............ IMHO The current M has reached it's final evolution.

 

couldn't disagree more

nothing the size of the M has reached its limit

 

the slr solved the telephoto problem but introduced loads more

the slr at the time was small, it would never have taken on if they were all the size of the 5D2

 

 

an m series with an hybrid evf might be an interesting idea. but a pure edf would just make the M into another CSC. If fuji or Sony produced a ff camera why would you buy the M ?

 

I buy it due to the most precise manual focus, lens quality and jewel like construction.

any reduction n the status of the three reduces the Leica signature

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I know the importance of these cameras for pros and many amateurs. Im happy I don't need one. I might still buy one ;)

No doubt the camera will find its way to remote controlled users

 

Check out this video by Vincent Laforet. Is that real photography?

Remote Heaven or Hell depending on the Results…

:D

 

I'd say it most definitely is real photography; the photographer chooses the composition and the timing (by remote Pocket Wizard). It's very tricky, involves some luck and a lot of expertise, but allows two or three views of the same subject simultaneously - guaranteed to give one a head ache but very useful in these situations!!

 

Edmond

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couldn't disagree more

nothing the size of the M has reached its limit

 

the slr solved the telephoto problem but introduced loads more

the slr at the time was small, it would never have taken on if they were all the size of the 5D2

 

 

an m series with an hybrid evf might be an interesting idea. but a pure edf would just make the M into another CSC. If fuji or Sony produced a ff camera why would you buy the M ?

 

I buy it due to the most precise manual focus, lens quality and jewel like construction.

any reduction n the status of the three reduces the Leica signature

 

I agree with the colonel - The M range is continually being developed - just look at the M9 over the M8 and also how much better the lenses are getting. I'd say rangefinders definitely have their limits; long lenses, tilt & shift, macro, fisheye etc but are superb at what they do. An SLR definitely has it's place and for me, fills in the gaps when needed. I'm definitely happiest when using my Leica M cameras!!

 

Edmond

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Well Colonel the Current M isn't that small and If

I can remember the Olympus OM1 was smaller then the Leica M and and it was an SLR.

 

If DSLR's were not popular, manufactories would not make them and remember Leica might have abanded the R series but now make the S series and they are even bigger then the previous R's

So the SLR concept is alive and well, it's still the most popular camera for the Pro's and series amateurs to date and the sales prove it.

..........................The SLR IS STILL THE KING OF PHOTOGRAPHY............................................

 

It's become fashionable to produce small cameras and the reason for this is simply to compete with

the emergence of the cell phones in the likes of I-phone, have you noticed that phones are now getting bigger once again.

The so-called mirrorless cameras are miniture wanna be DSLR with their interchangable lenses to

emulate their serious big brothers, you need small hands to operate their little finiky buttons, frankly I consider them a toy.

PersonallyI find my M7 more comfortable with it's case then without.

 

I own both M and R's and frankly the SL R8/R9 are much more solid then any M.

Have better and more pricise focusing, brighter viewfinders, and beleive me,

NOTHING BEATS LOOKING THROUGH THE FINDER OF THE SL and then for brilliant composation

through the Leica lens it's just magnificent, M users don't know what they're missing.

I believe the S2 is similiar to the SL.

 

Edmond.

 

Emproving the lenses is fine, as I said the operational concept of the M hasn't changed except as mentioned

Internal light meter, and an electronic image sensor, what else can you except, that might be exceptable to one

Million people but the other 100 million don't think so.

Check out the sales figures for DSLR.

 

 

Ken.

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