Interview with Stefan Danieli details published on Leicarumours

[lct]

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Comparing it to his previous one in Paris, i read this Daniel's interview as a confirmation that the M10 will have a CMOS sensor. YMMV of course...

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[farnz]

Comparing it to his previous one in Paris, i read this Daniel's interview as a confirmation that the M10 will have a CMOS sensor. YMMV of course...

So this is your interpretation of two previously interpreted interviews is it, LCT?

 

Pete.

[swamiji]

In terms of a "R" solution, is only wether I buy a Canikon to R adapter or use my existing M to R adapter. At this point it does not matter, I can wait. When/IF a solutions comes the question will be, will I care, I am so busy shooting with my M's, I might not notice.

[bill]

I have an R solution.

 

I put my LTM, M and R mount lenses on my GXR with the help of various adaptors. I'd rather use the glass than sit on my hands and wait for someday-never.

 

Regards,

 

Bill

[rosuna]

Comparing it to his previous one in Paris, i read this Daniel's interview as a confirmation that the M10 will have a CMOS sensor. YMMV of course...

 

That is clear to me.

 

The question is about the "new" mirrorless system.

 

I don't see Leica developing an all new system (the third), with a new set of lenses, and an APS-C sensor. The effort would be huge and that market is too dangerous. I would bet Leica's solution will be different in some way. My feeling is that that new mirrorless system will be a mere new branch of the M system.

[swamiji]

I have an R solution.

 

I put my LTM, M and R mount lenses on my GXR with the help of various adaptors. I'd rather use the glass than sit on my hands and wait for someday-never.

 

Regards,

 

Bill

 

Good point, It's just I have been so distracted with my M's, they may have just sat there anyway. But I have to admit, I miss my SL2... Ok... enough reminiscing, time to go shooting... Where did i put my Tri-X?

 

I guess my hope of Full Frame may not be realized. I tried my 24 Elmarit, using various adapters, and had problems with the lens depth. But I guess thats another thread.

[lct]

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Stefan Daniel: « M-lenses hit the sensor in a flat angle, therefore they are the most compact on the market and older lenses are compatible with M8 and M9. This flat angle will not allow us to use interference IR cut coating on the sensor cover glass, as this would cause uncontrollable color fringes. Instead of, we use an absorption filter, which is not sensible to different light angles, but does filter much more of the visible light as interference filters, and therefore the signal from the sensor needs to be amplified much more which results in a lower light sensitivity. »

How to resolve this "lower light sensitivity" problem with a CCD sensor?

[mjh]

I take your point but I tend to dismiss most of what Leica is reported as saying following previous mixed messages, for instance the non-appearance of the R10 and the (so far) fabled R solution. In my opinion it is all too easy to misinterpret what has been said especially if there is translation involved and one of the parties knows what it would like to hear said.

I’m not sure there was a translation involved – it is said to the “English version” of the original article, not necessarily implying an English translation. In which language was the interview originally conducted – Hebrew? German? I would be surprised if it wasn’t English. (It was English in a previous interview of Stefan Daniel by megapixel.co.il, about a year ago.)

[farnz]

I’m not sure there was a translation involved – it is said to the “English version” of the original article, not necessarily implying an English translation. In which language was the interview originally conducted – Hebrew? German? I would be surprised if it wasn’t English. (It was English in a previous interview of Stefan Daniel by megapixel.co.il, about a year ago.)

I feel sure that Stefan Daniel's native language is German so there must be translation somewhere for it to appear in English, although that may be through Stafan's excellent mental translational skills, and therefore opportunity for subtle nuances etc to be misrepresented. I would anticipate similar misrepresentation if I was transalting into a langauge that isn't my native tongue.

 

Pete.

[lct]

Daniel spoke in French in his last interview in Paris if i remember well.

[Peter H]

Did he say anything about when the M10 upgrade programme would be available?

[lct]

Did he say anything about when the M10 upgrade programme would be available?

AFAIK he just said in Paris: « Three years is a very good life cycle, from the M8 to the M9, it lasted 3 years. And perhaps for the M9 will last a little longer. But we are well aware that we cannot sell an M9 for 5-6 years, that's sure ».

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[tobey bilek]

" On M rangefinder with AF: “we are totally aware that we could aim at a much larger clientele with AF and are currently studying solutions“.

 

Leica invented AF as I understand, many decades ago. Execution is the problem.

 

The RF concept is small and light, read Barnack. As soon as you build AF in, the lenses get big, have to be made of lighter materials so the motors can drive the focus. Or it has to be built into the body making it bigger. And you better include image stability somehow while you are at it or you will enter an already started race with an underpowered car and driver with one eye.

 

Now it appeals to more people who can`t focus a camera. But you lost the original customer base because the camera is longer the camera it once was. It is going to be like beating Nikon at their own game which in the decent versions is a beautifully executed SLR with all the advantages of a slr. Leica will end up with a bigger clunkier RF with none of the advantages of a slr. Or you end up with some slow, junky, variable aperture lenses that jump in and out when the camera is turned on/off. This P&S concept is soon to be relegated to the obsolete pile replaced by the camera/phone of your choice.

So unless you can make phone calls and do e/mail and add apps to your Leica,forget it. Leica has no Steve Jobs, not even close, so don`t go there or you will build another M5. In fact they don`t even understand Steve Jobs.

 

Take the RF out, and all the old lenses go into the trash. More customers gone.

 

What they need is a 24x36 mm slr that takes R lenses and a new line of AF lenses. Oh wait, they already gave up on that concept. They think a $30,000 camera with one lens, $100,000 small system, will will be a hot seller . Gimme a break. Maybe they need to read Steve`s new bio and learn a few things.

 

I will tell you one thing, only history, German craftsmanship, a bunch of of photogs who have a closet full of Leica glass are keeping the M system going. Alienate them and you are are dead, dead and more dead. Just how many R people do you see buying S2 ?

Go there if you dare, I advise you not to.

[k-hawinkler]

I feel sure that Stefan Daniel's native language is German so there must be translation somewhere for it to appear in English, although that may be through Stafan's excellent mental translational skills, and therefore opportunity for subtle nuances etc to be misrepresented. I would anticipate similar misrepresentation if I was transalting into a langauge that isn't my native tongue.

 

Pete.

 

 

No, not necessarily.

In principle, one can also think and speak in a foreign language without translation, given enough practice.

I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. Daniel did just that.

 

Cheers, K-H.

[sblitz]

herein lies the inherent problem with spending top dollars on a digital box. technology moves on and as Leica moves forward, as it should as a business, with a cmos ff sensor on an m10, perhaps in 2012, what then becomes of the m9? it will be relegated to a historic oddity in the years to come as leicas first attempt along the way. an m3 to an m7 or mp is many years, many innovations, but all still very much usable today. the way i look at the m9 on a cost basis is that i am buying a box and prepurchasing a lot of film. if you take the present value of the future cost of film, processing, digitizing, etc -- how many rolls over how many years to get to some high percentage of the $7000 for an m9? perhaps take the spread between an m7 and an m9 and figure that is the cost of pre-buying film? in any event, if you don't think of it in those terms, these new versions and new costs to come will seem overly expensive as an outlay. having said that, i am perfectly happy with my m9 and would only buy an m10 if there is a dramatic improvement in dynamic range to the point where it is closing in on film. if there isn't, not worth the money. imho.

[mjh]

I feel sure that Stefan Daniel's native language is German so there must be translation somewhere for it to appear in English

Here’s the video of the last time MegaPixel.co.il had interviewed Stefan Daniel:

 

 

Sounds like English to me.

[farnz]

... Sounds like English to me.

<sigh> yes of course it's English and fluent English as well. With the greatest respect, Michael I think you have rather missed my point. I used translation as an example of where misinterpretation can occur.

 

At the risk of being arrested by the Language Police:D by quoting myself from post 16, I will restate what I said earlier: "I tend to dismiss most of what Leica is reported as saying following previous mixed messages, for instance the non-appearance of the R10 and the (so far) fabled R solution. In my opinion it is all too easy to misinterpret what has been said especially if there is translation involved and one of the parties knows what it would like to hear said." Please note that I said "... especially if there is translation involved ..." I didn't use the term "exclusively".

 

If you wish to infer that Stefan Daniel has said that the M10 will have a CMOS sensor then, by all means; please do so; I shall not infer the same.

 

Pete.

[swamiji]

Here’s the video of the last time MegaPixel.co.il had interviewed Stefan Daniel:

 

 

Sounds like English to me.

 

But did you hear him announcing the S9?

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[mjh]

Please note that I said "... especially if there is translation involved ..." I didn't use the term "exclusively".

Okay, so now we know what you didn’t mean. But what did you mean? Stefan Daniel’s answer is quite clear and it is an answer to a rather specific question providing the necessary context. If there isn’t a translation involved that a possible misinterpretation could be blamed on, what else remains? Stefan Daniel misunderstanding the question and how it referred to the M-line and the M10 specifically? Or was it his inability to clearly express what he really meant? Is any of that even remotely likely?

 

(And btw there were no ‘mixed messages’ with regard to the R10; Leica just changed their mind. At one point in time they intended to develop and market an R10 and said so in unambiguous terms, but a few month later they decided to can that project for the reasons we all know. And they admitted as much, again in no uncertain terms.)

[farnz]

Okay, so now we know what you didn’t mean. But what did you mean? ...

Who's "we"? Are you speaking for everyone now? What I meant was precisely what I wrote in my first post in this thread. Please refer to post 7.

 

And since you've raised it, Leica changing its mind about its intentions is a prime example of a mixed message.

 

Pete.