brill64 Posted October 2, 2011 Share #1 Posted October 2, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) maybe old news already but interesting: Leica M10 camera concept | Leica News & Rumors Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/163212-m10-concept-leicarumours/?do=findComment&comment=1807589'>More sharing options...
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brill64 Posted October 2, 2011 Author Share #2 Posted October 2, 2011 and sensor: http://leicarumors.com/2011/08/29/some-i...gle+Reader Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prunelle Posted October 2, 2011 Share #3 Posted October 2, 2011 and sensor: http://leicarumors.com/2011/08/29/some-i...gle+Reader The link is not working. The closest I've found is this: Some interesting thoughts on the Leica M10 (29MP sensor, hybrid viewfinder, live view, video recording, MAESTRO processor?) | Leica News & Rumors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brill64 Posted October 2, 2011 Author Share #4 Posted October 2, 2011 try this: Some interesting thoughts on the Leica M10 (29MP sensor, hybrid viewfinder, live view, video recording, MAESTRO processor?) | Leica News & Rumors Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 2, 2011 Share #5 Posted October 2, 2011 http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/customer-forum/149913-new-kodak-sensor.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prunelle Posted October 2, 2011 Share #6 Posted October 2, 2011 try this: Some interesting thoughts on the Leica M10 (29MP sensor, hybrid viewfinder, live view, video recording, MAESTRO processor?) | Leica News & Rumors It's the link I've posted at 10 am.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade Posted October 3, 2011 Share #7 Posted October 3, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think it's very interesting, but I don't think Leica will lose the 4 button arrow wheel. I just hope it has a hybrid view finder like Fujis. And PLEASE, not so much Pixels, I'd rather have a slightly improved DR and ISO performance and keep the pixels at 18MP. it's large enough for any purposes I can think of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ash Posted October 3, 2011 Share #8 Posted October 3, 2011 I do not like 4 arrow button wheel but I guess the menu wheel shown above eats too much inner space. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruhayat Posted October 3, 2011 Share #9 Posted October 3, 2011 Nice. I think it is only missing: 1. Reversible LCD so that you can turn it around completely. 2. Removable digital back by using the baseplate as the "cartridge" for future sensor upgrades (or introducing cheaper APS-C sensors a-la Ricoh GXR for skint people like me). 3. The size of a film M6 (with the weight of a meterless film M4-P). EDIT: 4. And a physical, old school ISO dial on the back. That said, I probably will never be able to afford a digital M, though. Took me long enough before I finally could afford an M6. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted October 3, 2011 Share #10 Posted October 3, 2011 I like the back of that concept camera, because it is simpler, it adds more free space and a larger screen. I don't like the front side so much, because the viewfinder window side looks too massive. I expect to see a better design of the digital interface at the back of camera, just like this concept shows. Maybe those small, fix function, no recessed buttons at the left side of the screen have to change as well. The S2's interface is a good model or reference, in my opinion. We will have the answer in less than one year! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 4, 2011 Share #11 Posted October 4, 2011 ...We will have the answer in less than one year! Not this one hopefully. Top plate a la M8 w/o LCD, another chimping machine, thanks no thanks. Lack of grip for the thumb, another soap bar camera. I don't want vertical strap lugs a la M5 either. Making them collapsible is not a better idea IMHO. Nice drawing though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest srheker Posted October 4, 2011 Share #12 Posted October 4, 2011 It's rather embarrassing for a "designer" to come up with a black painted titanium M9 with important parts of the user interface missing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted October 4, 2011 Share #13 Posted October 4, 2011 Nice. I think it is only missing: 1. Reversible LCD so that you can turn it around completely. 2. Removable digital back by using the baseplate as the "cartridge" for future sensor upgrades (or introducing cheaper APS-C sensors a-la Ricoh GXR for skint people like me). 3. The size of a film M6 (with the weight of a meterless film M4-P). EDIT: 4. And a physical, old school ISO dial on the back. That said, I probably will never be able to afford a digital M, though. Took me long enough before I finally could afford an M6. All of your desires are mutually exclusive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest srheker Posted October 4, 2011 Share #14 Posted October 4, 2011 All of your desires are mutually exclusive. As are many other great ideas to improve the M, that are, at a closer look, not very well-thought-out. Most of them are about turning the M into a kind of big-sensor-MFT with live-view or EVF, adding some second-class AF or things like that. The product of most of theses ideas would be a camera that is loosing everything that the M is all about, what makes her special and different from DSLRs like the 5DII in a positive sense. I love the M because she is still manual focus, with a real Viewfinder and a range finder instead of something else. I wouldn't love it with an AF like my EOS but only half as good, with a LCD or EVF like my digital compact worse than my EOS's view finder. The M is a good camera because it is different and works different, it wouldn't be a good camera anymore if the difference would be converted to being "working the same way but not working as good as other cameras"! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruhayat Posted October 5, 2011 Share #15 Posted October 5, 2011 All of your desires are mutually exclusive. How so? By the way, the items I mentioned are already possible if you are talking about APS-C or M4/3 formats. Just look at the size of a "removable back" cartridge system for M mount on the Ricoh GXR; reversible (and more!) LCD screen on Panasonic G series; and the size and weight of those cameras with M lenses mounted. I have the M adapter on my Panasonic GF1 and the combo weighs less than my M6TTL. I really think a digital M should use that removable baseplate for something more useful than just changing batteries and memory cards! Who knows what another year will bring us - afterall, once upon a time Leica originally said that a full frame M with the same size (more or less, anyway) of a film camera was not possible. Within 3 years, it was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruhayat Posted October 5, 2011 Share #16 Posted October 5, 2011 As are many other great ideas to improve the M, that are, at a closer look, not very well-thought-out. Most of them are about turning the M into a kind of big-sensor-MFT with live-view or EVF, adding some second-class AF or things like that. But that's just the thing: the wishlist I presented was all about making the digital M even more of an M of old. If I had a choice, I'd ask for an LCD-less M10. But this is neither here nore there, of course, since I don;t have the money to buy even an M8.2. So it's just passing the time, for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest srheker Posted October 5, 2011 Share #17 Posted October 5, 2011 But that's just the thing: the wishlist I presented was all about making the digital M even more of an M of old. But they won't work, you can't make it small as the M4 or M6 by adding a removable sensor unit and a tilt and swivel lcd, at least as long you are not able to make both units together as thin as a film and the M4s hinged back. The limiting factor here is the flange focal distance or flange back! To change this you would need new lenses and to make it shorter would cause even more problems at the sensors edges. By the way: Does anyone remember (e)film? NEWS! - Digital Cameras, Digital Imaging, Digital Photography, Digital Scanners Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest srheker Posted October 5, 2011 Share #18 Posted October 5, 2011 since I don;t have the money to buy even an M8.2. So it's just passing the time, for me. That's what scares me: that people who don't use or even plan to use the M-System are the loudest ones to tell Leica how to improve it, so that even those who currently use it would abandon it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruhayat Posted October 6, 2011 Share #19 Posted October 6, 2011 But they won't work, you can't make it small as the M4 or M6... etc etc Hmm. Leica said much the same thing about a full frame digital M when they came out with the M8, no? "Cannot be done". "You would have to change the lenses". Etc etc. As I recall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruhayat Posted October 6, 2011 Share #20 Posted October 6, 2011 That's what scares me: that people who don't use or even plan to use the M-System are the loudest ones to tell Leica how to improve it, so that even those who currently use it would abandon it... Ah. And yet. I saved and I saved. And I saved some more until I could afford an M film camera along with a couple of lenses. Because to me it is the pinnacle of the photographic tool - you just *need* to own a Leica at some point in your life. And who knows, one of these days I might just save and save, and save some more, and buy me a digital M. EDIT: you just need to own a real Leica, I mean. I already owned the Digilux 2 for years before hand, but I just needed that film M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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