symmetron Posted September 20, 2011 Share #1 Â Posted September 20, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Who is shooting X1 in RAW? Is it worth the aggravation? I almost always shoot in JPG and have been pretty pleased with the results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jsrockit Posted September 20, 2011 Share #2 Â Posted September 20, 2011 If you are serious about your photography it is worth it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefano60 Posted September 20, 2011 Share #3 Â Posted September 20, 2011 aggravation? maybe so, but the difference is like choosing between fast food and a proper meal ... you get fed either way, but one is much more satisfactory! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECliffordSmith Posted September 21, 2011 Share #4 Â Posted September 21, 2011 Hi, Â If you are happy with the JPEG files you get from the camera that is fine. The thing you get from the DNG files is more control and flexibility. I have not played around with all the JPEG settings as I am used to processing RAW files with other cameras. My impression of the in camera processing however is one of over sharpening where fine detail is lost, especially in low contrast areas. Â With the purchase on the X1 you get Adobe Lightroom which is excellent software and once you are used to it the time required to process your files is minimal. Â Why not experiment? Import both the full JPEG and DNG file and play around? Look at the dynamic range options you get with the DNG file (pulling up shadows, recovering highlights). Apply a little sharpenening and see how much fine detail is there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stateowned Posted September 22, 2011 Share #5  Posted September 22, 2011 remember that the X1 only does Raw+JPG.  You can try for a while and do some post processing, you will still have the JPG's aswell  that way you can choose if the effort and results are worth the time it takes to process the raw to a finished picture.  for me its totally worth it.  see this :http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/people/198083-important-conversation-barcelona.html  the first one is the JPG.. and the second i posted is worked from RAW and you can clearly see the difference in detail with the to men in the picture.. from a JPG picture that detail wouldn't have been possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted September 26, 2011 Share #6 Â Posted September 26, 2011 I've shot RAW since the day I got my X1 about 18 months ago and have yet to be aggrivated by it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert blu Posted September 26, 2011 Share #7 Â Posted September 26, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Since I have the x1 I mainly shoot DNG+jpg fine. After importing in LR3 i check the jpgs, it's quick. Based on this view I make the selection and cancel all the bad photos, and work on the DNGs files of the good ones, postprocessing in LR3 + CS3. After that I cancel all the jpgs. But when I shoot in good light situation for not special subject I sometimes only shoot jpgs: it is good and quick! robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
symmetron Posted September 28, 2011 Author Share #8 Â Posted September 28, 2011 I'll give RAW a shot. Although I own both LR3 and Aperture, I'm not a PP aficionado. We'll see how it goes. Thanks for the feedback. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prk60091 Posted September 29, 2011 Share #9 Â Posted September 29, 2011 aggravation? maybe so, but the difference is like choosing between fast food and a proper meal ... you get fed either way, but one is much more satisfactory! Â That's right shooting RAW only makes you feel properly fed because it took so long to get an image "you made" shooting jpg is more satisfactory because it is less frustrating. Â I only shoot jpg because the images from the x1 jpg engine are more than satisfactory. I have yet to see an image from an x1 that was better after RAW processing than from the camera . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefano60 Posted October 2, 2011 Share #10  Posted October 2, 2011 to each his own, i guess.  i do not find the process frustrating at all, personally, and, yes, i do find it much more satisfactory when i see a picture the way i want it to look. ; it does not even take that long, it really depends on the image, sometimes it is jsut a quick adjustment, sometimes it takes a couple of trials. if you are happy with your jpegs, great, i am happy for you. but saying that you have yet to see a processed raw image better than the camera jpegs is a bit extreme, all i can think is that you never really looked at any - take a minute to check the ones posted on LFI galleries for example, how many of those do you think are jpegs off the camera?  keep enjoying the x1, whichever way you prefer! s  p.s.: incidentally, i do not go to fast food joints either! :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted October 3, 2011 Share #11 Â Posted October 3, 2011 It depends on how easily satisfied you are with the quality you are getting. RAW is like offering you a newer higher quality level. Â Aggravation? Depends what you mean by the term. If any extra processing aggravates you, yes. However, like most techniques, the more you practice the easier it becomes. I find the time spent essential to achieving the full potential of a high quality instrument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert blu Posted October 3, 2011 Share #12 Â Posted October 3, 2011 " However, like most techniques, the more you practice the easier it becomes" Â Yes, I agree. robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Muller Posted October 5, 2011 Share #13 Â Posted October 5, 2011 If you have to shoot jpeg's, then I suggest you turn your sharpening to low or off. Sharpening in PP is always better and generally speaking less (sharpening) is more... for the rest of the settings its probably ok to leave them at 'neutral' settings,,,, With the firmware upgrade the jpeg quality was improved, I don't know I never shoot jpeg's. Before the firmware update there was some criticism about the jpeg quality. If your'e not that into photography and just use it occasionally jpeg's are probably good enough..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
symmetron Posted October 6, 2011 Author Share #14 Â Posted October 6, 2011 I need to find some guidance on the recommended sequence of adjustments and levels for PP using LR3. Any suggestions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted October 6, 2011 Share #15 Â Posted October 6, 2011 The Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 3 book by Martin Evening gives an excellent approach to processing Raw files, with matching illustrations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iduna Posted October 12, 2011 Share #16 Â Posted October 12, 2011 hello together, Â yes, RAW files with the X1 is worth all effort. Processing in Lightroom is after some time of training a perfect software to get the most from your fotos. Why kick off the original and let the camera process a jpg? Why buy a good camera and loose its potential? Â Try it and you will soon see the difference in colourshades, light and dark, the whole depth. What is true, it needs battery energy and it is advisable to carry along with you 2-3 fully charged batteries and a few more chips anyway. Â Enjoy your X1! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
donalrey Posted November 7, 2011 Share #17 Â Posted November 7, 2011 once you go raw you never go back... Â picture taken last night. Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
artyca Posted December 3, 2011 Share #18 Â Posted December 3, 2011 To appreciate the performance of the X1, you really need to shoot in RAW. I treat my DNG files as "source code" files that should be kept for posterity... The JPG can be used for quick photo sharing etc. before being discarded but the DNG file will be backed up indefinitely... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnturnerx1 Posted January 1, 2012 Share #19 Â Posted January 1, 2012 Wow! JPEG vs RAW is fighting words to so many people, and I'm going to get 'flamed' for having an opinion that goes against the RAW crownd, but here goes. Die-hard pixel-peepers are adamant only shoot raw. The claims are many for raw, and some claims have some merit. I won't list them here as you can find this discussion in most photo books and search on web. However, I believe a lot of the discussion around this topic is misplaced. I am actually working on an article I hope to get into a major photo mag at some point and I can't list all the points here. I will just state one point, though. People who are rabidly for RAW claim a loss of detail in JPEG in-camera processing. That's true. But people have never stated what I think is the most important point: most detail is irrelevant. For general use, family pics, etc, JPEG is more than adequate. I think even for much "pro" use, the JPEGs coming out of the X1 are much more than adquate. The firmware upgrade made JPEG images outstanding, if, perhaps, a bit darker than need be, which you can fix. If shooting JPEG, set the output characteristics of the camera at medium high (sharpening, saturation, and contrast) and you will get outstanding images. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted January 1, 2012 Share #20 Â Posted January 1, 2012 most detail is irrelevant. Â Yes, there are situations and users where this applies. Â However, someone who bought an X1 and does not need - at least from time to time - the extra detail afforded by the raw image has made a poor buying decision. There are lots of cheaper and in other respects more capable devices which make "outstanding pictures" without those details. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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