philipus Posted August 15, 2011 Share #1 Posted August 15, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi all I have seen that there is are LTM and screw mount versions of the 50mm Summilux II. Apart from the need for an adapter in order to use the screw mount version, is there any difference between the lenses, such as image or build quality-wise? I assume both have 1m as closest focusing distance? Is there a difference in "collectibility" and, therefore, value? Cheers Philip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lars_bergquist Posted August 15, 2011 Share #2 Posted August 15, 2011 ?? 'LTM means 'Leica Thread Mount' which is the same thing as 'screw mount'. I presume you mean 'screw mount and bayonet mount'. A fairly small series of the lens, in a retro-style silver chrome screw mount, the V-Summilux, code no. 11621, was manufactured around 2001 for the Japanese market (there was also a parellel 50mm V-Summicron). The old man from the Screwy Age Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyoung Posted August 15, 2011 Share #3 Posted August 15, 2011 Hi all I have seen that there is are LTM and screw mount versions of the 50mm Summilux II. Apart from the need for an adapter in order to use the screw mount version, is there any difference between the lenses, such as image or build quality-wise? I assume both have 1m as closest focusing distance? Is there a difference in "collectibility" and, therefore, value? Cheers Philip LTM (Leica Thread Mount) is a 'modern' term for what us oldies always knew as Leica screw mount. I think a screw mount Summilux is a rare beast. The bayonet mount one is much more common, I have one myself and its lovely (not a technical review, merely a subjective appraisal!) Gerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted August 15, 2011 Share #4 Posted August 15, 2011 If you mean this V-Summilux LTM of 1999 (code 11621 Summilux II): 50/1.4 Leica Summilux August 1999 Amazingly Leica is releasing a limited production screw mount just for the Japanese market, chrome only. Recognizable from earlier 1950's lenses due to "50" on lens barrel. These are sure to become instant collector's items, and are doubtless the sharpest 50/1.4's ever made in LTM mount. Alas, inexpensive they are not. (cameraquest) that's a collectable and usable choice of very nice Summilux 50mm. ... If you mean original 50mm Summilux I (code 11014 or SOWGE), only about 550 made ... that's another long story. Arnaud Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyoung Posted August 15, 2011 Share #5 Posted August 15, 2011 Great ?? minds think alike! Gerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted August 15, 2011 Share #6 Posted August 15, 2011 ...If you mean original 50mm Summilux I (code 11014 or SOWGE), only about 550 made ... that's another long story. Arnaud ;;; Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/159459-summilux-50mm-screw-mount-vs-ltm/?do=findComment&comment=1766704'>More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted August 15, 2011 Share #7 Posted August 15, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) All Summilux 50 in screw mount (be it the "standard" V 1 or the "limited edition") are mainly collectibles... you pay for rarity, not for quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share #8 Posted August 15, 2011 Thank you every body for the quick and informative replies. Yes I meant the 11621 (and indeed, I meant "vs bayonet mount". I have no idea why I wrote LTM. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for the corrections). So are such lenses as the 11621 also lenses one can use or are they best kept in a bookshelf or vault or such? And how much more do they cost compared to the similar-looking pre-ASPH Summilux (called version II in the latest LFI magazine, I believe). I mean, I realise that they've been built to be used but how is value affected by use? I find this a bit confusing. For instance, really worn down black M3s can be worth 1000s of Euros. Cheers Philip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted August 15, 2011 Share #9 Posted August 15, 2011 I think the 11621 was made in 500 items around... and most of them, I think have been treated by buyers as collectibles (to say, used, but with MUCH care) ... they appear time to time for sale... if I remember well, prices are around +70%/+100% of a comparable bayonet mount version (in very good conditions, of course...a "standard" Summilux can have been used "normally" and show signs of time, like mine... ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share #10 Posted August 15, 2011 If you mean this V-Summilux LTM of 1999 (code 11621 Summilux II): 50/1.4 Leica Summilux August 1999 Amazingly Leica is releasing a limited production screw mount just for the Japanese market, chrome only. Recognizable from earlier 1950's lenses due to "50" on lens barrel. These are sure to become instant collector's items, and are doubtless the sharpest 50/1.4's ever made in LTM mount. Alas, inexpensive they are not. (cameraquest) that's a collectable and usable choice of very nice Summilux 50mm. ... If you mean original 50mm Summilux I (code 11014 or SOWGE), only about 550 made ... that's another long story. Arnaud I'm a little confused by that Cameraquest quote. Surely they must be recognisable from earlier 1950s lenses by the shape of the barrel? Doesn't the 11621 look like the pre-ASPH, ie this one but with screw mount? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/159459-summilux-50mm-screw-mount-vs-ltm/?do=findComment&comment=1766733'>More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted August 15, 2011 Share #11 Posted August 15, 2011 Yes. The built-in hood is the most noticeable feature, the filter mount is E46 (E43 the V1) and the chroming is different, and the fonts of the engravings too : is impossible not to distinguish one from the other; note that the 11621 "limited edition" focuses to 1 meter, while the BM version focuses to 0,7 mtr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share #12 Posted August 15, 2011 Thank you very much for the clarification, Luigi. note that the 11621 "limited edition" focuses to 1 meter, while the BM version focuses to 0,7 mtr. Ah, this is very interesting. Does it have to do with the different mount? Or does it indicate that the optics are somewhat different as well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted August 15, 2011 Share #13 Posted August 15, 2011 1m and hood this I think (to be verified) the same optical as Summilux standard pre-asph. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_parker Posted August 15, 2011 Share #14 Posted August 15, 2011 Hi Philipus I have the pleasure of owning both the 50mm LTM Summilux and the 35mm LTM Summicron, images of both are below. I use mine constantly. I have a subjective feel that whilst the optical formulation matches the similar M series lenses exactly, something of a 'golden sample' principle may have been applied, though I have no way of confirmimng this. Here is a picture of both lenses on a 111f Red Dial. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The Summilux is a touch heavy on the 111f but perfect on any M series camera. Currently a 50mm Summilux is available in London for GBP1999 http://www.reddotcameras.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=34_36&products_id=3604#menu Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The Summilux is a touch heavy on the 111f but perfect on any M series camera. Currently a 50mm Summilux is available in London for GBP1999 http://www.reddotcameras.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=34_36&products_id=3604#menu ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/159459-summilux-50mm-screw-mount-vs-ltm/?do=findComment&comment=1766761'>More sharing options...
robert_parker Posted August 15, 2011 Share #15 Posted August 15, 2011 Ps. If you search me on the forum, I've posted loads of images with both. Here's a recent one Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/159459-summilux-50mm-screw-mount-vs-ltm/?do=findComment&comment=1766763'>More sharing options...
FiZZ Posted August 16, 2011 Share #16 Posted August 16, 2011 Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't LTMs originally called M39? Or was it M42? With the number indicating the diameter of the lens opening on the camera body? I remember reading that if you had an M39 lens, you can screw it into a variety of Durst enlargers, which means a Leica lens on a Durst enlarger! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyoung Posted August 16, 2011 Share #17 Posted August 16, 2011 Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't LTMs originally called M39? Or was it M42? With the number indicating the diameter of the lens opening on the camera body? I remember reading that if you had an M39 lens, you can screw it into a variety of Durst enlargers, which means a Leica lens on a Durst enlarger! M39 is leica screw, M42 is Pentax/Edixa. As for Durst enlargers, they (like many enlargers) have lens mounts available for all sorts of lenses, M39 is one of them, most Schneider lenses have smaller size threads than that, 25mm being typical if I remember. I have used my 2.8/50 Elmar on enlargers regularly, its a better enlarger lens than the 2.8/50mm offerings from Schneider, Rodenstock or Nikon Gerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted August 16, 2011 Author Share #18 Posted August 16, 2011 Currently a 50mm Summilux is available in London for GBP1999 http://www.reddotcameras.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=34_36&products_id=3604#menu Is that a high, low or normal price for that lens? Cheers philip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twotone Posted August 16, 2011 Share #19 Posted August 16, 2011 Is that a high, low or normal price for that lens? Cheers philip One here https://www.leicashop.com/vintage/summilux-1450-chrome-p-228.html for half that price above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted August 16, 2011 Author Share #20 Posted August 16, 2011 One here https://www.leicashop.com/vintage/summilux-1450-chrome-p-228.html for half that price above. Thanks Twotone but unless I am not entirely mistaken that's a different lens. Judging by the serial number, is it possibly a 11014 / SOWGE? cheers Philip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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