NB23 Posted July 31, 2011 Share #41 Posted July 31, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Using any lever cannot replace the experience of taking photographs with a real lens. Did it been there for 30+ years and it cost me a lot you can trust me. More seriously, some people prefer 35, others 50, others both. It is essentially a matter of tastes and the only way to check it is to take dozens if not hundreds of photos with a lens the focal length of which you're after. IMO, 99% of the people cannot tell the a picture that was taken with a 50 or a 35 lens just by looking at it. That's why one can shoot a 35mm lens with the lever set on 50mm and simply never ecen realize it while looking at the pictures. But the point is simple. It's all happening while shooting, not while viewing the results. You either see or you don't. You look at the VF and you compose with the framelines as the main constraint. You either like what you see through the VF or you don't. It's all happening live while you have the camera in your face. Not when you have your face on the computer screen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 31, 2011 Posted July 31, 2011 Hi NB23, Take a look here Shall I get the 50mm 1.4 Summilux?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
lct Posted July 31, 2011 Share #42 Posted July 31, 2011 ...It's all happening while shooting, not while viewing the results... What's the point of viewing anything in your VF if you don't like your results? Only the results count. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbbonthemoon Posted July 31, 2011 Share #43 Posted July 31, 2011 I have paid a downpayment for the 50 Lux here in my country and I am expecting mine to arrive in couple of weeks so they tell me wow! Considering my undoubtedly valuable contribution in this thread, and therefore your decision, could you please order for me a new 35 1.4 fle lux with two weeks wating time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted July 31, 2011 Share #44 Posted July 31, 2011 What's the point of viewing anything in your VF if you don't like your results? Only the results count. You can only like or dislike the results based on the lens' signature. But if you don't like what you see through the VF, then don't even bother clicking the shutter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swanny66 Posted July 31, 2011 Share #45 Posted July 31, 2011 I'm loving my new 50 Summilux. It's my one "fast" lens and the images it captures are something very different and very special, but your experience could obviously be different... Last week I attended the Leica Akademie M9 Experience in San Francisco. Besides receiving a crash course in rangefinder operation and the M9 (which is always fun and I believe everyone learned something new) the chance to basically try out whichever Leica lenses you wanted was priceless. Just seeing all that glass on the table and hearing "Which would you like to shoot first?" was incredible. I had never held a Noctilux before, so mounting one on my camera and trying it out was very cool. It's an incredible lens, but I have no need for the speed, don't like the weight and don't like the price. I spent most of my time with the 24 Summilux, another pricy piece of Leica glass. While I enjoyed the 24 Summilux it's also very expensive and I don't need the speed for my wide angle lens. My point is that for $199 (or whatever the cost of the M9 Experience in your area) you get the keys to the Kingdom for a day. Well worth the price of the class to take your choice of Leica glass out on the street for a day. I am doing the same at the one here in Minneapolis to see if I would prefer a 24lux, 21lux, or 18mm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 31, 2011 Share #46 Posted July 31, 2011 You can only like or dislike the results based on the lens' signature. But if you don't like what you see through the VF, then don't even bother clicking the shutter. It is not a matter of lens signature but of field of view, perpective, DoF and all aspects doing that you prefer such or such focal length actually. When HCB said that he preferred 50mm over 35 or 90 he did refer to his prints, not to the signature of his Summicron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted July 31, 2011 Share #47 Posted July 31, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I am doing the same at the one here in Minneapolis to see if I would prefer a 24lux, 21lux, or 18mm. Yes, the Leica Akademie is a great opportunity to see and use a huge range of lenses. And as they give you a voucher for a future purchase it's nearly free. As for me I discovered that the 24 Summilux wasn't what I needed. It's a GREAT lens, but I don't tend to shoot wide in low light without a tripod and I tend to prefer stopping down for greater DOF. For those reasons I'm going to stay with my decision to get the 21 SEM (if it's ever released). To the OP's original question though I use both the 35 Summicron ASPH and the 50 Summilux ASPH. Both are wonderful, but the latest 50 Summilux ASPH has...what's the technical term.?...magic juju...awesomeness...friggin crazy magical quality that's hard to quantify. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gib_robinson Posted July 31, 2011 Share #48 Posted July 31, 2011 WOWWOOW. Thanks guys, alot of useful info I got here and I thank you all for the input. My question was intended mainly to those who have both 35 and 50 and apparently they somehow have use of both most of the time, which exactly what I wanted to know. I am new in leica lens, so my main useage would be the magic that it bring in the photo, especially shooting street. I am an able landscape and travel photographer. Shooting street is new, and to me, the rendering of the image while shooting street is what makes the images so captivating. Hence my question Anywho, I got my answer and guess what, I have paid a downpayment for the 50 Lux here in my country and I am expecting mine to arrive in couple of weeks so they tell me From what I've seen on your website, you are certainly an able landscape and travel photographer with a very good eye for composition (you like more garish color than I do) and for how to take compelling portraits. You already find the world around you fascinating enough to want to photograph and now you have a Leica. It will surely take you places you have not been before. It will do so with whatever set of lenses you have -- one, two, five, however many. Using a rangefinder is simply different. Using a Leica rangefinder with its very specific size and weight and feel is also different. The qualities of the camera (and lenses) never cease to amaze me. I love using it. I suspect you will be thrilled by the journey. Enjoy. --Gib Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
salim Posted August 1, 2011 Author Share #49 Posted August 1, 2011 From what I've seen on your website, you are certainly an able landscape and travel photographer with a very good eye for composition (you like more garish color than I do) and for how to take compelling portraits. You already find the world around you fascinating enough to want to photograph and now you have a Leica. It will surely take you places you have not been before. It will do so with whatever set of lenses you have -- one, two, five, however many. Using a rangefinder is simply different. Using a Leica rangefinder with its very specific size and weight and feel is also different. The qualities of the camera (and lenses) never cease to amaze me. I love using it. I suspect you will be thrilled by the journey. Enjoy. --Gib Thanks Gib for your kind words and glad you liked my site and my photos appreciate it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christakis Posted August 1, 2011 Share #50 Posted August 1, 2011 I have currently the 35mm Summicron. I love it and it does most of the work What so special about the 50mm summilux apart from the extra stop and the 15m extra zoom from the 35mm cron? I am worried that when I buy the 50lux, I will toss the 35cron and that I dont want.I had a fair amount of bad decision in buying lens, this time I want to make sure that Indeed I will make use of them. Anyone please? Trust me, you will not toss the 35mm cron. My setup is those two lenses. The fov is different to warrant both and you will find yourself choosing a lens for the day depending on your mood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted August 1, 2011 Share #51 Posted August 1, 2011 It is not a matter of lens signature but of field of view, perpective, DoF and all aspects doing that you prefer such or such focal length actually. When HCB said that he preferred 50mm over 35 or 90 he did refer to his prints, not to the signature of his Summicron. Dude, he prefered what he saw in the viewfinder, first, obviously. On a rangefinder camera it's pretty easy to judge what focal length we like or dislike. I can tell you that I hate the 75mm fov and I don't have to use that lens to know if I like it or not. It's right there in my face. On a (D)SLR it's another story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted August 1, 2011 Share #52 Posted August 1, 2011 What so special about the 50mm summilux apart from the extra stop and the 15m extra zoom from the 35mm cron? There's a huge difference between a 35 and a 50. Huge. Play with your framelines lever while shooting a subject with your 35mm lens and you will realize how big the difference is. There are basically two types of photographers: The 35mm ones and the 50mm ones. But another accurate measure of just how huge the tiny 15mm difference is between a 35 and a 50mm lens is the market itself: People waiting in line, writing open-letters to companies and jumping ship in favor of the competition that offered a FF sensor was a daily nightmare that lasted for years. People wanted their 35mm to be 35mm and their 50mm to be a 50mm. That's how BIG the tiny 15mm is, in reality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted August 1, 2011 Share #53 Posted August 1, 2011 Hi If you are people shooting with a 35m you need to take one or two steps nearer the subject, (than with a 5cm) but will still see more of the back ground. And reciprocally. If you have a good eye for a scene, then you will get shots with a 12 and 15mm, but not of people, borrow a 12 or 15 for an hour or two... Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 1, 2011 Share #54 Posted August 1, 2011 ...he prefered what he saw in the viewfinder, first, obviously... Poor Henri must be turning over in his grave. You won't "see" the same things if you take a 0.91x M3 or a 0.58x M6 obviously. With an M3 you'll have the feeling that 50mm is your favorite FoV because it is so comfortable, with an 0.72x M6 it will be 35mm and with an M8 it will be 28mm or 35mm for the same reason. Again only the results count. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted August 1, 2011 Share #55 Posted August 1, 2011 Poor Henri must be turning over in his grave. You won't "see" the same things if you take a 0.91x M3 or a 0.58x M6 obviously. With an M3 you'll have the feeling that 50mm is your favorite FoV because it is so comfortable, with an 0.72x M6 it will be 35mm and with an M8 it will be 28mm or 35mm for the same reason. Again only the results count. No. With a 50mm you always see 50mm, no matter the magnification. HCB and NB fully understand this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted August 1, 2011 Share #56 Posted August 1, 2011 No. With a 50mm you always see 50mm, no matter the magnification. HCB and NB fully understand this. True, but it is presented in a different way with each magnification. Meanwhile, Noel sees 35 metres, 5 centimetres, and 12 millimetres Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
epand56 Posted August 2, 2011 Share #57 Posted August 2, 2011 What so special about the 50mm summilux apart from the extra stop and the 15m extra zoom from the 35mm cron? Try it and you'll find it out I have both, 50 and 35, and some times ago I was tempted to sell them to fund an M9-P. Then, I became sane again and didn't do that. No M9-P with any other lens could give me the pictures my M8 deliver with my Summilux lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted August 2, 2011 Share #58 Posted August 2, 2011 FWIW--LFI 6/2011 (August issue) has an article comparing the 50mm Summarit, Summicron and Summilux. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted August 2, 2011 Share #59 Posted August 2, 2011 Salim, Congratulations on your purchase. I use both lenses on the M8 and that's all my kit consists of. Love both lenses. When I want less clinical sharpness I tend to use the 35mm Summicron ASPH. They each get about equal air time with me. Please post some shots in the photo section. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThangNguyen Posted August 6, 2011 Share #60 Posted August 6, 2011 A general rule of thumb for me is "If you have to ask, then you don't need it".This little rule has probably saved me around 4000 euros lol. +1 this one for myself Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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