pico Posted July 28, 2011 Share #1 Â Posted July 28, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I don't want want an LCD. I would be happy with a viewfinder menu with one or two buttons elsewhere than the back. IOW, a digital Leica M without the bullshit. The elegant M9 menu and post-view can be displayed in the viewfinder, and/or as a an optional hotshoe accessory. Ruggedize it, weather proof it. Call it the M-minus and I'd buy 'em by the pair, maybe half-dozen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 28, 2011 Posted July 28, 2011 Hi pico, Take a look here M9 Minus. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
250swb Posted July 28, 2011 Share #2 Â Posted July 28, 2011 I don't want want an LCD. Â Put some gaffer tape over it then. Â Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atournas Posted July 28, 2011 Share #3 Â Posted July 28, 2011 I own an M6 Classic and an MP, but I would also buy a pair of "M9 Minus". In fact, I would like to see a minimalistic digital MP, just a sensor and the ISO function for the film and nothing else. The price of such a body should be quite manageable, too. Â The impact of the LCD on Leica M photography cannot be cancelled by "putting some gaffer tape over it." Apart from the trivial menu inspection, why should one need to immediately check a shot? Wrong exposure? Bad composition? Have a second go? The scene that was captured into an admirable photograph is never repeated. Â On the other hand, I understand that I cannot comment on what professional photographers prefer. Â Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted July 28, 2011 Share #4 Â Posted July 28, 2011 Nothing forces you to look at the LCD other than yourself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Holy Moly Posted July 28, 2011 Share #5  Posted July 28, 2011 Put some gaffer tape over it then. Steve  old hint.....  http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/forum-zur-leica-m9/192642-roemische-diebe-auch-nicht-mehr-dass.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
honcho Posted July 28, 2011 Share #6 Â Posted July 28, 2011 I don't want want an LCD. Â Take your M9 for another bikeride. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted July 28, 2011 Share #7 Â Posted July 28, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) The impact of the LCD on Leica M photography cannot be cancelled by "putting some gaffer tape over it." Apart from the trivial menu inspection, why should one need to immediately check a shot? Wrong exposure? Bad composition? Have a second go? The scene that was captured into an admirable photograph is never repeated. Â There is a thread over on RFF in a similar vein, a 'lite' M9, this is what I wrote there about the backwards step of remvoing the LCD Â " A screenless digital camera so you can get back home and find you missed as many shots (focus off, bad composition, poor exposure) as when you used a film camera. That would make for a nostalgic experience, you could once again talk again about the one that got away, rather than the one you didn't try hard enough to get. Â Sometimes I wonder if Leica's don't bring out the worst in people, where simply owning the camera is more important than the quality of the photographs, where polishing the camera and bragging about photographic purity is more important than getting out the door with it. And a screenless Leica fits right in that bracket. My time is valuable, I don't get enough of it to go out with my camera, so when somebody invented the LCD so less of my time was wasted I didn't see fit to kick them in the nuts, I more or less stopped using film. Â Removing the LCD is just negative ambition, making a camera less productive for the sake of form. If you don't want to look at the LCD don't, put some black tape over it, it will cost less than a whole new camera, and you can re-create the warm glow you get when you discover you missed focus on your best shot after a weeks work, or a four hundred mile drive, or a significant occasion in your life " Â Anybody who doesn't want an LCD just tape over it. After some considerable time testing the concept, and reviewing the standard of your photographs before and after, if the idea still stands up post it here. But as it stands I don't see any commitment to test the idea and its just another fantasy. Â Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 28, 2011 Share #8 Â Posted July 28, 2011 The LCD can be switched off.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted July 28, 2011 Share #9  Posted July 28, 2011 I own an M6 Classic and an MP, but I would also buy a pair of "M9 Minus". In fact, I would like to see a minimalistic digital MP, just a sensor and the ISO function for the film and nothing else. The price of such a body should be quite manageable, too. The impact of the LCD on Leica M photography cannot be cancelled by "putting some gaffer tape over it." Apart from the trivial menu inspection, why should one need to immediately check a shot? Wrong exposure? Bad composition? Have a second go? The scene that was captured into an admirable photograph is never repeated.  On the other hand, I understand that I cannot comment on what professional photographers prefer.  Paul  Why bother with film loaded in film cartridge, every time you finish length of film take the camera to the darkroom for extraction, very purist wouldn't you say so. In fact why bother with camera have pencil and sketch pad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TshawM8 Posted July 28, 2011 Share #10 Â Posted July 28, 2011 Why? It wouldn't be any cheaper because your adding on all of the weather proof features. This makes no sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellie Posted July 28, 2011 Share #11 Â Posted July 28, 2011 Perhaps a back door like on a film M would give some weather protection? Just to cover basic settings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 28, 2011 Author Share #12 Â Posted July 28, 2011 Take your M9 for another bikeride. Â Now that was funny! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 28, 2011 Author Share #13 Â Posted July 28, 2011 Anybody who doesn't want an LCD just tape over it. Â I just turn it off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 28, 2011 Author Share #14 Â Posted July 28, 2011 The post was a little experiment to find the role of the LCD besides being a very convenient, and exceedingly well designed menu display. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted July 28, 2011 Share #15 Â Posted July 28, 2011 I just turn it off. Â Me too. It's an easy one-button-press to call up the image if I have doubts what I got, or want to check the histogram. Otherwise I don't see much need to drain the battery with a review after every shot. Not to mention the attention it attracts and distraction it causes (to me and others) in a dark place. But would I buy a digital camera without the provision for review? No way. It's one of the real advantages of digital. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atournas Posted July 28, 2011 Share #16 Â Posted July 28, 2011 My words, your words are of no weight as long as they are not tested against the photographs our cameras produce. Â If an LCD-equipped body ever offers better chances for improving one's photography, then of course it may be welcomed. Therefore, if required, it is everyone's personal business to compare and find out whether the LCD has increased his/her number of "keepers." Â Me, I'm not convinced that the LCD is a sine qua non for better shots; and I'm not going to put my head, my eye and my heart on the same axis with an LCD in an attempt to "live" again and again a decisive-looking moment. Â Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Fluff Posted July 28, 2011 Share #17 Â Posted July 28, 2011 a very convenient, and exceedingly well designed menu display. Â Clearly your brain is calibrated in line with Leica designers - mine isn't. I'm getting used to it but many was the time with my M8 that I would pause and try to remember the logic as to why a certain item would be in "menu" rather than "set" (or vice versa). Â And don't get me started on the Exposure Compensation implementation in the M8 - pure insanity..... Â The M9 has improved on a lot of this (indeed part of my reasons for moving on from the often infuriating M8) but you're flattering them in a big way by calling it "exceedingly well designed" I would say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Fluff Posted July 28, 2011 Share #18  Posted July 28, 2011 Me, I'm not convinced that the LCD is a sine qua non for better shots  No, but it is for at least being able to set the camera up to suit your preferences, which *is* essential in getting better shots. Having a knob or dial for every aspect that is variable on a digital camera (and the M9 has much fewer than most) would be totally impractical.  I could live without image review quite happily - in fact in a day's work I rarely chimp at all, but I can't imagine any form of digital camera that could work happily with dials alone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted July 28, 2011 Share #19 Â Posted July 28, 2011 The impact of the LCD on Leica M photography cannot be cancelled by "putting some gaffer tape over it." Apart from the trivial menu inspection, why should one need to immediately check a shot? Wrong exposure? Bad composition? Have a second go? The scene that was captured into an admirable photograph is never repeated. Â Â Â For all the 'decisive moment' photographers, like Cartier Bresson, Winogrand, Frank, etc, who each captured never to be repeated scenes, it is a fact they all shot hundreds and hundreds of rolls of film to get one single decisive moment. For every well known HCB image you see in a book or exhibition there are probably five hundred rolls of film used. Winogrand died with 4000 rolls of film left to develop. The idea that the decisive moment is captured by carefull stalking and a single expert exposure is pure fantasy. It is created by work and working at the scene until the reality of the decisive moment appears. It may be three frames, it may be three films. Â Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted July 28, 2011 Share #20 Â Posted July 28, 2011 There are many of us old-timers that are quite content using our M2, M3 or M4 (and original lenses) with film and have never chased after the latest gadgets. We find the image quality and camera features fine, even though we admit others may find all the more modern features more to their liking. However, it's obvious the film, darkroom supplies (or good processing) and such have limited availability and may soon disappear. So to us a "digital film" camera is all we want, once film is gone. Yes, the M9 is a good answer, as we can ignore the extra features and continue to use it like an M3, but we pay a size and price premium for features we don't want. Of course, a camera without those features would have such limited market (probably) that the cost would be just as high; but just maybe it could get back to M3 or even IIIf size. Even though I'd prefer that, I'm happy Leica made the M9. It's probably the last camera I'll ever buy, as long as it keeps working. But then, I still drive a '73 VW Beetle... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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