SJP Posted August 1, 2011 Share #201 Posted August 1, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) In the case of my tri-elmar 35-50-28 ASPH series 2 investment sounds about right:rolleyes: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 1, 2011 Posted August 1, 2011 Hi SJP, Take a look here Stefan Daniel: New M and APS-C soon?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
rosuna Posted August 1, 2011 Share #202 Posted August 1, 2011 Stefan Daniel did not answer any question about the "R solution" in his French interview so nothing expressly new did happen since June 2009 as far as Leica statements are concerned if i understand well. We can just suspect that the "FF EVF" referred to by Jaap will becomes APS-C finally. ... or not. A possibility is the R solution being a mere M10 with CMOS sensor and an adapter. The EVF with "at least APS-C sensor" seems to be a different thing, with modified M mount. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 1, 2011 Author Share #203 Posted August 1, 2011 Yes why not but i feel hard to imagine the M10 with CMOS and EVF so soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted August 1, 2011 Share #204 Posted August 1, 2011 The problem with using larger pixels is that the spatial sampling frequency decreases which would lead to more moire. Nikon solve this in the D3 (FF, 10MP) by using a quite agressive LPF which of course Leica do not use at all. Leica (Stefan Daniel) seems to be saying Leica do not want to introduce another exclusive lens series, so that the new camera will surely support M lenses first and foremost with a legacy solution for R lenses. Or am I not reading what he is saying correctly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted August 1, 2011 Share #205 Posted August 1, 2011 Yes why not but i feel hard to imagine the M10 with CMOS and EVF so soon. Who knows, but there might be a Sony like this pretty soon that will work with R lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted August 1, 2011 Share #206 Posted August 1, 2011 Leica (Stefan Daniel) seems to be saying Leica do not want to introduce another exclusive lens series, so that the new camera will surely support M lenses first and foremost with a legacy solution for R lenses. Or am I not reading what he is saying correctly? I am sure that M and R lenses would be usable on it but if it is an APS format AF camera, it will need its own line of lenses. Perhaps this could be a backwards compatible revised electronically coupled M mount or something with even a shorter flange to sensor distance and possibly other differences. (Canon EFS and EF lenses share the same mount but EFS lenses are restricted to the APS format cameras.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted August 1, 2011 Share #207 Posted August 1, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Leica (Stefan Daniel) seems to be saying Leica do not want to introduce another exclusive lens series, so that the new camera will surely support M lenses first and foremost with a legacy solution for R lenses. Or am I not reading what he is saying correctly? His remark about a third line of lenses was made in the context of Micro FourThirds, not the new system. Also he didn’t say the new system would have an M mount, just that there are many options that Leica is considering – implying that they haven’t yet decided on even basic things such as the mount size and specification. Since Stefan Daniel mentioned AF as a possibility, there might be a new line of AF lenses introduced with the new system after all. But again, we shouldn’t read too much into those terse remarks when it looks like Leica are still undecided on some key aspects of the new system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted August 2, 2011 Share #208 Posted August 2, 2011 APS-C M & R solution on the horizon - rumoured to be announced 24 August 2011. sonyalpharumors | Home New NEX-7 has built in EVF while new NEX-5N will have optional external EVF, watch out Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted August 2, 2011 Share #209 Posted August 2, 2011 If someone from Japan like Sony or anyone else can supply a "serious" R solution then why should Leica worry? They can always rebrand it, improve the firmware, stick on a logo or even start selling R lenses again to feed the frenzy - whatever, plenty of options to make a quick buck. And if its sells even more M-lenses then I guess they will be even happier. Many still consider an EVF an unacceptable compromise, the sensor isn't full frame, it probably has an anti-aliasing filter etc. So there will be enough room for complaint & improvement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janki Posted August 2, 2011 Share #210 Posted August 2, 2011 It really seems like Sony is now about to secure an almost fatal grip around neck of the rest of the worlds camera-manufacturers. As many have mentioned before in various photo forums, it is absolutely no disadvantage to be a huge electronics manufacturer, when it is about taking the lead of the digital “race”. What for Sony inhibits the sale to the enthusiast and pro market is probably the currently very limited portfolio of high quality lenses. Then it is of course very straight forward to think; - what if Sony and Leica began working together just like in the old Minolta days. How about a Leica NEX-M, or a Leica 99-R with a translucent mirror?:D Would not that be a so-called win-win situation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted August 2, 2011 Share #211 Posted August 2, 2011 If someone from Japan like Sony or anyone else can supply a "serious" R solution then why should Leica worry? I don't think they would - after all the original proposal was for a camera that would not be made by Leica themselves. Certainly from a technological point of view any of the Japanese majors could produce such a camera. The question however remains, is it worth anyone's while given the size of the market? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted August 2, 2011 Share #212 Posted August 2, 2011 ... So there will be enough room for complaint & improvement. No doubt about that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted August 3, 2011 Share #213 Posted August 3, 2011 It really seems like Sony is now about to secure an almost fatal grip around neck of the rest of the worlds camera-manufacturers.As many have mentioned before in various photo forums, it is absolutely no disadvantage to be a huge electronics manufacturer, when it is about taking the lead of the digital “race”. What for Sony inhibits the sale to the enthusiast and pro market is probably the currently very limited portfolio of high quality lenses. This is hard to know. Sony doesn't seem that serious about moving in to the pro market. And Minolta tried to do that in their past with the XK system. Nikon, Canon, Leica, and other brands have users that are happy with their gear and have investments in lenses and bodies. Just because something new is state of the art is not always enough to make people switch. Many years ago Rollei came out with the 6006 camera system that was way more advanced than Hasselblad's system. While I did switch, I don't think enough others bought into the Rollei to take away much market share from Hassy. Despite this, I do think it is obvious to all of us that Sony is really making an effort to make innovative cameras. And if they male a pro camera system that is very versatile, well supported, and perhaps unique, they should be able to sell it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
berndr Posted August 3, 2011 Share #214 Posted August 3, 2011 It really seems like Sony is now about to secure an almost fatal grip around neck of the rest of the worlds camera-manufacturers.As many have mentioned before in various photo forums, it is absolutely no disadvantage to be a huge electronics manufacturer, when it is about taking the lead of the digital “race”. What for Sony inhibits the sale to the enthusiast and pro market is probably the currently very limited portfolio of high quality lenses. Then it is of course very straight forward to think; - what if Sony and Leica began working together just like in the old Minolta days. How about a Leica NEX-M, or a Leica 99-R with a translucent mirror?:D Would not that be a so-called win-win situation? It is really unlikely that this can happen. Leica cooperates with Pana and Sony with Zeiss. I see no chance to break this scheme. But I'm really happy with the upcoming Sony stuff. Leica will be much to late with there new system when it is just APS-C. I can imagine that we will see a fullframe NEX9 at Photokina 2012! And when there are enougth NEX bodies sold there will be a wide range of lenses for the NEX's in the near future. Maybe it's the better way for leica to skip the new system and just produce high quality e-mount lenses (the e-mount is opened by Sony). Regards, Bernd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 3, 2011 Share #215 Posted August 3, 2011 Sony does supply sensors to Leica, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
berndr Posted August 3, 2011 Share #216 Posted August 3, 2011 Sony does supply sensors to Leica, though. That's right I think the X1 sensor is from Sony and they deliver also sensors to Nikon. But this is always second source. The same problem has Olympus with Pana. Apart from the sensors before Sony deliver a whole camera to leica I predict that we will see a NEX variant of a new Zeiss Ikon camera or a Zeiss Contax G follower. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janki Posted August 3, 2011 Share #217 Posted August 3, 2011 When I first saw and read rumors that Leica was at the steps with the completely new S2 model, I at once thought it was a funny joke. But S2 was a reality, and I was very pleasantly surprised. For me it was not possible to understand that a relatively small company could manage such a huge task, - that they dared to take the chance. I remember thinking, "big wide world", compared to this, the expected R10 is almost a formality, which it should turn out not to be. Everyone here at this Forum knows just that story. But let history be history. Now it's about Leica's new EVIL AF camera system. It is actually still possible that Leica may get to surprise us all in a very pleasant way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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