jaapv Posted July 31, 2011 Share #181 Posted July 31, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) You missed dinner... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 31, 2011 Posted July 31, 2011 Hi jaapv, Take a look here Stefan Daniel: New M and APS-C soon?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
lct Posted July 31, 2011 Author Share #182 Posted July 31, 2011 I don't understand what you say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 31, 2011 Share #183 Posted July 31, 2011 The most difficult thing would be finding a fab willing to manufacture a CMOS-imaging-sensor, but they can start step by step. Presuming the manufacture of the product does not violate German environmental standards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 31, 2011 Share #184 Posted July 31, 2011 I don't understand what you say. I thought you might not:D Mr. Stefan Daniel made the announcement of the demise of the R system at a dinner attended by about 50 LUF members. In his extensive presentation which also involved a lengthy part about ths S2 he talked about the prospects for R users. Apart from making it quite clear that there was little to no hope of Leica entering the 135 format SLR market ever again he said literally :" Leica will continue to look for a solution for the use of R lenses. It will not be soon and it won't be built by Leica." It was discussed ad nauseam in this forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 31, 2011 Author Share #185 Posted July 31, 2011 I thought you might not Mr. Stefan Daniel made the announcement of the demise of the R system at a dinner attended by about 50 LUF members. In his extensive presentation which also involved a lengthy part about ths S2 he talked about the prospects for R users. Apart from making it quite clear that there was little to no hope of Leica entering the 135 format SLR market ever again he said literally :" Leica will continue to look for a solution for the use of R lenses. It will not be soon and it won't be built by Leica." It was discussed ad nauseam in this forum. Thank you for reminding this to me but i have no recall whatsoever of a statement from Leica to the effect than the "R solution" would be made by another brand. Just found out this post of yours in the meantime. Any significant change since your then conversation with Stefan Daniel? ...In a later conversation I had with Stefan later he outlined Leica's plans with full commitment:Leica will have a FF EVF camera, fully compatible with R lensand of Leica quality... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted July 31, 2011 Share #186 Posted July 31, 2011 Well, there isn't a camera. Perhaps that counts as a significant change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 31, 2011 Author Share #187 Posted July 31, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I meant a change in Leica statements Steve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted July 31, 2011 Share #188 Posted July 31, 2011 I meant a change in Leica statements Steve. If the new camera system Andreas Kaufmann alluded to in Paris lately is the ‘R solution’ then that would be Leica’s latest statements on this topic. If it isn’t then we might never hear about it again, but honestly, nobody outside Leica really knows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 31, 2011 Author Share #189 Posted July 31, 2011 Stefan Daniel did not answer any question about the "R solution" in his French interview so nothing expressly new did happen since June 2009 as far as Leica statements are concerned if i understand well. We can just suspect that the "FF EVF" referred to by Jaap will becomes APS-C finally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglou Posted July 31, 2011 Share #190 Posted July 31, 2011 Before anything else, Leica could easily better the M9. - It is way too noisy, should not be more than M7 - Electronic should allow much quicker transfer to the card. - Better high iso pictures. - Better screen - Eventually lower electrical consumption This is the base. Then propose higher magnification finders à la M3 Propose also a switch allowing all image treatment before the memory card to be done on computer, not by the camera itself. Then we would have a correct M9, with no need for any special gadget or autofocus All this not as " special models " or à la carte but as normal production models. Am i asking for too much or too little ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4X5B&W Posted August 1, 2011 Share #191 Posted August 1, 2011 "Before anything else, Leica could easily better the M9."/I] Well, you only have to look at what has happened in MF CCD sensors to see that there is room for improvement over the 6.8 micron M9 sensor. Phase one and Leaf 80 MP sensors are 5.2 micron, and if you work backwards to a 24x36 sensor, a 30+MP M10 should be doable with current CCD technology. Of course Phase is using Dalsa sensors and Leica is currently using Kodak, but the point remains 5.2 micron sensors exist right now. I'm ready for the M10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglou Posted August 1, 2011 Share #192 Posted August 1, 2011 OK for the better sensor but do not forget to lower the noise of my next M digital Leica, it comes first for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 1, 2011 Share #193 Posted August 1, 2011 "Before anything else, Leica could easily better the M9."/I] Well, you only have to look at what has happened in MF CCD sensors to see that there is room for improvement over the 6.8 micron M9 sensor. Phase one and Leaf 80 MP sensors are 5.2 micron, and if you work backwards to a 24x36 sensor, a 30+MP M10 should be doable with current CCD technology. Of course Phase is using Dalsa sensors and Leica is currently using Kodak, but the point remains 5.2 micron sensors exist right now. I'm ready for the M10 Are you sure that is an improvement over the M9 sensor? The ISO range on those sensors 80-800. Seeing the screams of indignation on the Internet about Leica's 2500 ISO performance I doubt that would be thought acceptable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted August 1, 2011 Share #194 Posted August 1, 2011 Indeed, smaller bin => less photons per pixel => more noise There is no obvious reason to reduce the pixel size. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 1, 2011 Author Share #195 Posted August 1, 2011 Sure and what are we supposed to do with 30 MP really? Billboard printing has never been the aim of M cameras so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 1, 2011 Share #196 Posted August 1, 2011 Actually, I think image quality would be better served with larger pixels. A 10 Mp 24x 36 CCD would be awesome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wunderkind Posted August 1, 2011 Share #197 Posted August 1, 2011 Actually, I think image quality would be better served with larger pixels. A 10 Mp 24x 36 CCD would be awesome. But a headline figure of 10 Mp will be a marketing suicide. People will not pay a huge premium for anything less than 14 Mp these days. That's just how consumers think nowadays and you can't blame them. The market will need to be educated on the relative merits of lower pixel count, but larger buckets to allow more photons/light to be effectively captured. As for the possible future solutions for the R-lenses...............I don't know for sure. But I always thought Leica could team up with Panasonic to produce a body that houses a biggish APS-C sensor. I think most of the components inside the Panasonic G-series 4/3s bodies are scalable and are more than capable of handling a larger sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted August 1, 2011 Share #198 Posted August 1, 2011 people that buy Leica stuff are not "people" and certainly not "consumers":D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wunderkind Posted August 1, 2011 Share #199 Posted August 1, 2011 people that buy Leica stuff are not "people" and certainly not "consumers":D I am quite new to the Leica brand and still consider myself a person who consumes. How much is Leica expecting to charge for such a camera? Personally, I think this Leica body must not be priced at more than US$2,500 because this mirrorless APS-C market is going to get crowded very quickly with both Canon and Nikon signalling their intent to enter this market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 1, 2011 Share #200 Posted August 1, 2011 people that buy Leica stuff are not "people" and certainly not "consumers":D That is true, they only invest in cameras and lenses Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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