Robert_M Posted July 22, 2011 Share #61 Posted July 22, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Telyt2003, Yes, I agree that a televit or focorapid for visoflex is an ideal solution to playing around. I have been following your posts on that use. I have been watching for such a unit for some time now but have not seen one in M/viso version that was available. I'll keep watching. (Actually, I may have seen one at some exceptionally high price and overseas shipping for me, but I dismiss that). If you know of one, let me know. The adapters don't worry me. One can even fabricate those. Is it possible to modify a R versions of the Televit for use directly on the Viso/M mount? Is there a piece at the camera end that can be shortened and modified to the M mount? RM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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luigi bertolotti Posted July 22, 2011 Share #62 Posted July 22, 2011 Thanks, Telyt !!! I'm writing in my notepad your precious formula . The simpliest formula is: Telyt 280/4,8 v.3 head (modified) - Focorapid (without adapter 14112) - 14167 - 1,4x Apo-Extender-R - 22228 - Visoflex2/3 - M8/9. Focusing range from below 4 m to infinity (or ~3,5 m to infinity with one additional 16469). Of those components, I lack only the Apo Extender... I'll begin some chase.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted July 22, 2011 Share #63 Posted July 22, 2011 Hello Luigi, ....Your monster is quite exactly what I was referring to when saying that I like "nearly" all telescope-type lenses . Asked a bit more seriously, what are you planning to do with it? (as it is probably not able to mow your lawn ). Best regards, Telyt2003 Basically... to be sincere... not so much apart keeping it in my collection... - Some moon pics... - Few special mountains shot at great distances... but obviously taken from places I can reach strictly by CAR+MAX 10 min. WALK... - Some tentatives of paysage around my town from certain places at certain hours... - Probably some architectural shots in my town... but from DISCRETE locations... - Some strange test, just for fun, of macro shots in my garden... from a quick try, if one succeeds in stabilizing the beast with Viso+Bellows+some extender... the effect can be impressive... The problem is similar , but much WORSE, than the one I had years and years ago when, taken by MF frenzy, I got a Linhof Technika 6x9... you cannot "go out taking your camera with you"... you have to "transport your photo gear and go FOR taking pictures"... is a different mood... btw. the Linhof and its Zeiss trio were splendid items... sometime I feel nostalgy and complain to have sold everything... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted July 22, 2011 Share #64 Posted July 22, 2011 .... Is it possible to modify a R versions of the Televit for use directly on the Viso/M mount? Is there a piece at the camera end that can be shortened and modified to the M mount? RM Possible in theory, but needs machining and is not a solution I'd advise... insist in searching a Televit for M... they indeed appear time to time... (some on ebay now, but with lenses,,, a nice set at Collectcamera , too) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telyt2003 Posted July 22, 2011 Share #65 Posted July 22, 2011 Telyt2003,Yes, I agree that a televit or focorapid for visoflex is an ideal solution to playing around. I have been following your posts on that use. I have been watching for such a unit for some time now but have not seen one in M/viso version that was available. I'll keep watching. (Actually, I may have seen one at some exceptionally high price and overseas shipping for me, but I dismiss that). If you know of one, let me know. The adapters don't worry me. One can even fabricate those. (...) Robert, have just sent you a PM. (...) Is it possible to modify a R versions of the Televit for use directly on the Viso/M mount? Is there a piece at the camera end that can be shortened and modified to the M mount? RM Same as Luigi. I remember that it was discussed formerly, but without a "positive" result, as to say, the R-mount can probably not easily be removed and replaced by the M-mount. I only have the Televit-M version, so didn't look at it in detail. Best regards, Telyt2003 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telyt2003 Posted July 22, 2011 Share #66 Posted July 22, 2011 Thanks, Telyt !!! I'm writing in my notepad your precious formula . Zitat von Telyt2003: The simpliest formula is: Telyt 280/4,8 v.3 head (modified) - Focorapid (without adapter 14112) - 14167 - 1,4x Apo-Extender-R - 22228 - Visoflex2/3 - M8/9. Focusing range from below 4 m to infinity (or ~3,5 m to infinity with one additional 16469). Of those components, I lack only the Apo Extender... I'll begin some chase.... Hi Luigi, welcome! Please see my reply in the original thread! Please check it (important) http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m8-forum/187110-infinite-possibilities-m8-9-apo-extender.html Best regards, Telyt2003 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telyt2003 Posted July 22, 2011 Share #67 Posted July 22, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) (...)- Some moon pics... - Few special mountains shot at great distances... but obviously taken from places I can reach strictly by CAR+MAX 10 min. WALK... - Some tentatives of paysage around my town from certain places at certain hours... - Probably some architectural shots in my town... but from DISCRETE locations... - Some strange test, just for fun, of macro shots in my garden... from a quick try, if one succeeds in stabilizing the beast with Viso+Bellows+some extender... the effect can be impressive... (...) Luigi, I remember that, during years, I was sneaking into the window of a Leica dealer on the "Boulevard photo" and each time asked myself what I would do with the lens displayed there: Another Leica Telyt-S 800/6,3. If I would have had your impressive list at that time, I would have certainly bought it . Take care (for your back), Telyt2003 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert_M Posted July 22, 2011 Share #68 Posted July 22, 2011 Luigi, Try some shots of the larger planets with that great lens. Saturn and Jupiter should give you interesting results. I expect you will be able to pick up the 4 Galilean moons with the planet. With a good set of binoculars, I can see those moons. Galileo used a telescope of only about 25mm in aperture to discover them in the early 1600's. Try short, say less than 1 sec, exposures and then stack them in post processing. That will avoid the motion of the night sky problem. Jupiter is probably 30-40" (arcsec) across (must go check an astronomical ephemeris). The planet will be moving about 15 arcsec/sec - ie about 1/3 of its diameter per sec. Hence, get around the tracking by shorter exposures and stack them in post processing. You will get fantastic moon shots on a clear night. Exposure should be only about 1 stop more open than "sunny 16" rule. Daylight on Moon is the same as Earth, and you have averaged in shadow areas with those craters. Have fun. RM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washington Posted July 23, 2011 Author Share #69 Posted July 23, 2011 I’ve been really busy and haven’t visited this thread in a bit…. goodness me, what a wonderful collection of information!!!! I am so happy that the Focorapid was brought up because THAT is one elegant piece of machinery. So many advantages: critical focus wheel, re-settable infinity stop, quick release so the camera can be turned from horizontal to vertical, a very compact unit and tho’ a wee bit heavy, the domed bottom fits the supporting palm of the hand beautifully. I love the thing. I have never experimented with other lenses, but the 200mm, f4 does a great job. One of Leitz’s best creations!!! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/156336-oh-boy-a-real-visa/?do=findComment&comment=1742969'>More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted July 23, 2011 Share #70 Posted July 23, 2011 Yes, Focorapid is a smart and interesting devices... I tried an auction bid for one no much time ago, but was largely over-bidded... (hoped that being without box and not with the complete set of rings it could go "rather" cheap... I was wrong...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washington Posted July 23, 2011 Author Share #71 Posted July 23, 2011 Luigi, What do you mean by ‘’a set of rings’’ ??? Obviously, I haven’t studied up on this machine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telyt2003 Posted July 23, 2011 Share #72 Posted July 23, 2011 Luigi, What do you mean by ‘’a set of rings’’ ??? Obviously, I haven’t studied up on this machine. Rip, the "complete set of rings" normally refers to the 4 officially existing adapters and spacer rings for the Focorapid: 1) The adapter 14114 (A) for the heads of the Elmar 135/4 and the Hektor 135/4,5. Very good with the Elmar! 2) The adapter 14113 (H) for the head of the Telyt 200/4,5. Much recommended! (please compare here: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/1745024-post345.html) 3) The "adapter" (spacer ring) 14112 (G) for the heads of the Telyts 280/4,8 type 1 and 2 (the type 3 is not compatible with this ring, albeit the threads are shared, please compare here (post 59, and the links therein): http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/1778144-post59.html), and http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/1710470-post11.html. 4) The adapter "98311" (Leitz N. Y. order no.), again for the heads of the Telyts 280/4,8 type 1 and 2 (the type 3 screws in only 1,5 turns before internally hitting the ring, and thereby cannot be focused to infinity). BTW, the head of the type 2, fits perfectly into this adapter. The adpater 98311 screws into the greater thread of all Telyt 280/4,8 heads. This thread is shared with the thread of the Telyt 400/5 heads for which the 98311 was apparently offered by Leitz N.Y. (I checked it with a Telyt 400/5 type 2, worked). However, the heads of the Telyts 400/5 are MUCH to heavy and long for the Focorapid's focusing mechanism! Please see here for a better alternative 400 mm focal length for the Focorapid: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/1734858-post12.html. Also with the Telyts 280/4,8, the "adapters" 14112 and 98311 are not needed (can be skipped), as also described in post 59 of this thread (please see the links there). This 'skipping' even ameliorates the function of the Focorapid (as described). All this information, I have summarised in the Visoflex 'interest group' (Interessengemeinschaft Visoflex), in English, together with information on the compatible lens heads: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/groups/visoflex-d217-visoflex++focorapid.html Best regards, Telyt2003 Disclaimer: I haven't checked the compatibilities of the Telyt 280/4,8 type1 and Telyt 400/5 type 1 myself, all the rest as checked and used by me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washington Posted July 23, 2011 Author Share #73 Posted July 23, 2011 Telyt2003, Thanks for the above info as I hadn’t a clue. I will have to find a way of listing all this stuff: Viso adapters, Novoflex adapter, and now…. (egad) Focorapid adapters….. so I can understand it before I run off naked into the jungle screaming gibberish. The only intelligent (?) thing I can add to the subject is that the head of my 200mm, f4, Telyt screws right in directly….. dumb luck on my part. Thanks again. Cheers - Rip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telyt2003 Posted July 24, 2011 Share #74 Posted July 24, 2011 Telyt2003, Thanks for the above info (...) (...) The only intelligent (?) thing I can add to the subject is that the head of my 200mm, f4, Telyt screws right in directly….. dumb luck on my part. Thanks again. Cheers - Rip Rip, as do, besides the heads of the Telyts 280/4,8: the head(s) of the Elmarit 135/2,8, and the head(s) of the old Summicron 90/2, because they all share the same thread (M46 x 0,75) . Ok, only with the Telyt 200/4 head, screwing it into the Focorapid directly, is the "official" way to use it. However, the other heads just mentioned will also do it (with the recommended care). The Elmarit 135/2,8 and the Summicron 90/2, for sure, will only focus in a limited close focus range (please compare the Visoflex interest group). Telyt2003 PS: I did not check all variants of the head(s) of the Elmarit 135/2,8, and the head(s) of the old Summicron 90/2, with some the aperture ring may be bloqued. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted July 24, 2011 Share #75 Posted July 24, 2011 Telyt2003,Thanks for the above info as I hadn’t a clue. I will have to find a way of listing all this stuff: Viso adapters, Novoflex adapter, and now…. (egad) Focorapid adapters….. so I can understand it before I run off naked into the jungle screaming gibberish. It's really a Jungle, but a funny one ... ... and Telyt has given the final explanation on Focorapid rings... with some interesting pluses... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telyt2003 Posted July 27, 2011 Share #76 Posted July 27, 2011 Ready for some hand held testing up in the park tomorrow. Rip, I would appreciate it very much, if you would tell us how your adaptation of the duplet (no T) Noflexar 400/5,6 on Pigriff system C to the Visoflex3 worked outside in the jungle. Any experiences worth reporting? It is a pity, that this adaptation does not work with the triplet T-Noflexar 400/5,6, since it is physically impossible to screw it into the rear part of the PIFAS-C unit (i.e., with the PIFAS-C's front part, the "adapter ring" removed). Please compare here for the result of my recent phone call to Novoflex: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/1783253-post11.html. Best regards, Telyt2003 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 18, 2014 Share #77 Posted January 18, 2014 I have just bought a LEI-M adapter to use M lenses on a Novoflex bellows. It looks as it comes complete with a Novoflex VISA adapter. This is of no use or interest to me but may be a vital missing bit for someone using the long Novoflex lenses and focusing kit. PM me if this could be of interest to you. See pic below. I would much rather a forum member was using it than sitting in a drawer. Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/156336-oh-boy-a-real-visa/?do=findComment&comment=2512154'>More sharing options...
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