k-hawinkler Posted July 11, 2011 Share #201 Posted July 11, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Agreed. And then what? K-H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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shard Posted July 11, 2011 Share #202 Posted July 11, 2011 shard, Then the answer to this problem is to buy your card directly from the manufacturer. I do not know if one can…. but I will be looking into it. Thanks. Not really but I do prefer to buy my cards from a physical shop where I can see the local distributor's seal as well as Sandisk's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 11, 2011 Share #203 Posted July 11, 2011 Agreed. And then what? K-H. Well, in my case I only had one card go bad since 2006 (on Leica, at least 20.000 shots) by sticking to these rules - and a big problem by ignoring them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodrog Posted July 11, 2011 Share #204 Posted July 11, 2011 hmmm..I'm confused by the earlier post on page 1. Quote: Originally Posted by nodrog I had trouble with some SanDisk Extreme cards when I first got the M9. but I've since learnt the solution, and haven't had a problem since: NEVER EVER delete pictures in camera. I used to do so, as I do still on my D700, but the Leica, being a sensitive flower, just can't handle it. That's my take on the problem, anyhow. As usual, the requisite caveats apply. The Leica dealer who sold me my camera, told me always to make sure the photos are deleted in camera and not on the computer as this will cause problems - Which is what I do. Does anyone delete images from the memory card while attatched as a device computer with no ill effect? What I meant by that was quite specific: I NEVER EVER delete individual pictures in camera. Even if the picture is a total waste (accidental exposure, out-of-focus etc) I transfer - via the SD slot in my MacBook Pro - all pictures, then replace the card in the camera, and then format in-camera. I don't format the cards in the Mac and don't delete pictures in the Mac, either. Since following this routine I've had no problems with either the SanDisk Extreme Pro 8GB, or the Extreme 4GB cards, which both froze on me soon after I bought the M9, and was still happily deleting individual shots in-camera. Hope that clears up the confusion. Cheers Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_newell Posted July 11, 2011 Share #205 Posted July 11, 2011 There is a lot of room for user error when reading, deleting and formatting cards from the computer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 11, 2011 Share #206 Posted July 11, 2011 I never do anything to the card at all in the computer except download files. I keep it locked and eject correctly, in fact my download program will eject itautomatically. However, I'll happily delete any number of files in the camera and over the years never had a problem by doing so. I think the unnoticed card killer is inserting and removing from the camera whilst it has power on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted July 11, 2011 Share #207 Posted July 11, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Jaap, To me your procedure is like a voodoo ritual. I am used to a scientific approach and systematic debugging. That tells me that either there is an intermittent problem with my M9. Or there is a firmware bug. I suspect the latter. I have not lost a memory card yet. But 4 out of 5 cards had occasionally bad episodes. The fifth card hasn't been used enough yet. For me there is no point to go on with this argument. It has rather become unproductive and pathetic. I know enough work arounds and things not to do with my M9 in order to take pictures. The Leica fan boy approach doesn't help really anybody, including Leica. Have a nice day, K-H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 11, 2011 Share #208 Posted July 11, 2011 I am a bit annoyed at a constructive post advocating common-sense card handling being described as fan-boy approach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted July 11, 2011 Share #209 Posted July 11, 2011 May be you can convince Leica to add your procedure to their M9 user manual? K-H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubs Posted July 11, 2011 Share #210 Posted July 11, 2011 I never do anything to the card at all in the computer except download files. I keep it locked and eject correctly, in fact my download program will eject itautomatically.However, I'll happily delete any number of files in the camera and over the years never had a problem by doing so. I think the unnoticed card killer is inserting and removing from the camera whilst it has power on. If that really is the case - I can not confirm that's what happened to me. maybe it would be possible for Leica to configure the safety button next to the bottom plate to completely shut the camera off when plate is removed instead of displaying a warning that cover is removed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 11, 2011 Share #211 Posted July 11, 2011 Why? What I have written is valid for any camera of any brand. And if it were for Canon I would have added to avoid obstructing the pinholes on the CF card, as that will bend the pins in the camera slot neccesitating a repair before the camera can be used again. Adding it to the Sandisk manual would make more sense. Exactly what part do you object to as being defensive of Leica? May be you can convince Leica to add your procedure to their M9 user manual? K-H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted July 11, 2011 Share #212 Posted July 11, 2011 I don't know anything about Canons. However, none of my Nikon cameras need any workarounds with regards to memory cards of any kind. K-H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 11, 2011 Share #213 Posted July 11, 2011 Which is a workaround? Keeping contacts clean? protecting it from static electricity? handling it properly in your computer? etc. Or are you saying your Nikon will work properly even if the card is coated with chewing gum? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelduck Posted July 11, 2011 Share #214 Posted July 11, 2011 I find it odd that M9 is the only Camera where i have to have these precautions in handling memorycards. I have 2 SLRs and several pointandshooters that have zero problems with memorycards and I can "abuse" the cards as much as i want (switching cards from camera to camera, deleting pictures, etc. )The only camera where I have had any memorycard issues is the M9 and IT has plenty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 11, 2011 Share #215 Posted July 11, 2011 Well - I could not switch from a Nikon P&S to an Olympus one without the Olympus crashing, so it is certainly not unique. And deleting in the camera should not create a problem. If my M8/9 would do that it would be in Solms.After I did a forensic check on my SD card. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubs Posted July 11, 2011 Share #216 Posted July 11, 2011 I find it odd that M9 is the only Camera where i have to have these precautions in handling memorycards. I have 2 SLRs and several pointandshooters that have zero problems with memorycards and I can "abuse" the cards as much as i want (switching cards from camera to camera, deleting pictures, etc. )The only camera where I have had any memorycard issues is the M9 and IT has plenty. Same here, my friend. We are carefully tip-toeing around a problem that should indeed not be there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubs Posted July 11, 2011 Share #217 Posted July 11, 2011 Which is a workaround? Keeping contacts clean? protecting it from static electricity? handling it properly in your computer? etc.Or are you saying your Nikon will work properly even if the card is coated with chewing gum? I can understand your stance here jaapv, but some people are frustrated that they have tried all safe guards mentioned and still having failures, maybe you have been lucky but, you might feel different had you lost images of of an important shoot, despite all your safe guard procedures, as some of us have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 11, 2011 Share #218 Posted July 11, 2011 I would certainly not be happy and it did happen to me when I lost 60% of my DMR shots on an expensive safari. But I knew it was my own stupid fault for switching cards with the M8. Anyway - as soon as I would start losing shots after treating my cards properly, I would first check the cards for legitimacy, and then send the gear off to Leica to repair. The fact that the majority of cameras do not exhibit these problems proves it is not a design flaw or firmware problem, but faulty gear. And I would raise bl***y hell, not here, but in Solms, if I got fobbed off. Not that I believe that would happen. I am as convinced that there are some problem cameras out there as I am convinced that a proportion of the complaints stems from mistreating the cards, and another proportion from fake cards. The relative frequency of these three groups is anybodies guess. Oh yes - and my safety net is check-backup-check again and backup again.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted July 11, 2011 Share #219 Posted July 11, 2011 ...Use the little plastic box to store the card ... In the US at least, manufacturers are more and more not supplying the box, and third-party vendors seem no longer to supply them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henning Posted July 11, 2011 Share #220 Posted July 11, 2011 I find it odd that M9 is the only Camera where i have to have these precautions in handling memorycards. I have 2 SLRs and several pointandshooters that have zero problems with memorycards and I can "abuse" the cards as much as i want (switching cards from camera to camera, deleting pictures, etc. )The only camera where I have had any memorycard issues is the M9 and IT has plenty. I had both a Fuji and a Canon that couldn't stand having images deleted in camera. The shots that you took after the deletion were often corrupt. I've had a lot of cameras that had issues with cards formatted in other cameras, including lockups and corruption. So I got into the habit of always formatting a card when I put it in the camera, and never deleting images. I've gotten away from that somewhat, but so far haven't had a problem with M8s or 9s. Henning Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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