framestore Posted June 22, 2011 Share #1 Posted June 22, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi, All Apart from the price, f-stops, filter size & weight, other technical or cosmetic differences. What would be your reasons of buying Summilux instead of Summicron? Le's just talk about images that taken by two lens. Some said, Summilux = modern VS. Summicron = classical feel / look of images. What's your opinions? - Regards, Joe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 22, 2011 Posted June 22, 2011 Hi framestore, Take a look here Summilux vs Summicron 50mm?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
SiOnara Posted June 22, 2011 Share #2 Posted June 22, 2011 I opted for the Summicron. I researched and did a few test shots on it. Loved the way it rendered. I guess apart from the speed (and cost) it's down to personal taste. What look do you want from a lens... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
framestore Posted June 23, 2011 Author Share #3 Posted June 23, 2011 it's down to personal taste. What look do you want from a lens... I know that is all down to personal preferences, taste and budget. When I used to shoot with Canon system, I always bought fast L lenses. I've both 50mm f1.4 and f1.2 L. The both lenses have nice background bokeh and f1.4 is good enough for my amaturer usage. I bought f1.2 because it's L lens and looks nice on Canon body. I'm new to Leica system, only been a week. I saw many of reviews and images that taken by 50mm Summilux and Summicron. I don't see much differences in between cos' most of images are post processed, so it's very difficult to choose one by just browsing images that available from www. Do you know any good reviews that comparing these two lens, each other? P.S. Voigtlander 50mm Nokton f1.1 is another consideration after read this reviews. - Regards, Joe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramosa Posted June 23, 2011 Share #4 Posted June 23, 2011 Joe, I think you have hit on the big points: price, weight, and speed. I had the Cron and sold it to get the Lux. I do not regret it, as I like to have at least one fast lens on my M8 and (in the future) on an M9. On a FF M9, I will like the 50mm focal length much more than on the M8. With the 1.33 crop, a 50mm lens becomes a 67 on an M8, which isn't to my liking. For focal lengths, I tend to like 35, 50 and 90, so a 67 falls in "no man's land" for me. So you may want to ponder what focal length you want to put most of your money in. In hindsight, doing so on a 50mm lens for an M8 wasn't a great decision. But, when I move to an M9 later this year, it will make great sense. One more thing. The Cron and Lux render quite differently. Go to flickr and do a search. The Cron is more basic, more classic, as it's a Mandler lens. The Lux, designed by Karbe, has a different rendering, sharper, but also with better OOF IMO. They are both great lenses, so you can't really go wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobeyone Posted June 23, 2011 Share #5 Posted June 23, 2011 Cron is sharper but the lux has this look about it that I love. I regretted selling my v4 cron when I moved to the 35MM asph but since going back to 50MM and having the lux.. I am happy again. The 1.4 can create some wonderful photos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfredo Posted June 23, 2011 Share #6 Posted June 23, 2011 Joe, I'm assuming you are making reference to the Summilux ASPH which remains hard to find. If you prefer clinical sharpness besides speed, then it's the Lux hands down. It is however an unforgiving lens, that's how sharp it is. I've posted lots of shots with it in the People forum section, check them out. Some people have both lenses. I love mine. It is arguably the best lens Leica has ever produced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted June 23, 2011 Share #7 Posted June 23, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Indeed, the current Summilux 50 ASPH is technically one of the most outstanding lenses in Leica's stable. However, it's mostly about rendering. If you like a more classic look, the Cron 50 range (i.e., including older versions) gives you plenty to choose from. While I love the Lux, I regularly use both a 1955 Collapsible and have recently acquired (through the B&S section of this forum) a 1966 Type II rigid. If you haven't already, you may want to look at the pictures taken by Thorsten Overgaard (a forum member and excellent photographer) with the latter. You may also want to look at my website below: many of the pictures I took on a recent trip to Cuba were taken with M8 or M9 and the Collapsible Summicron. These older lenses have great character and are easier to find these days - not to mention that they are much less expensive than a current (or a used pre-ASPH) Summilux. The Nokton is a very good lens, but is substantially larger/heavier and (price aside) IMO really needs to be compared to the Noctilux from a functional perspective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
epand56 Posted June 23, 2011 Share #8 Posted June 23, 2011 What I like most in the 50 Summilux Asph. pictures (that are quite different from those taken with the 35 Summilux Asph.) is the reportage feeling (especially in B&W) that this lens gives to them. I never owned a Summicron 50 though, but being happy with the Lux I do not feel the need to try one. Besides, if I want a classical feel, I use my Elmar 50/2,8 Collapsible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
framestore Posted June 23, 2011 Author Share #9 Posted June 23, 2011 One more thing. The Cron and Lux render quite differently. Go to flickr and do a search. The Cron is more basic, more classic, as it's a Mandler lens. The Lux, designed by Karbe, has a different rendering, sharper, but also with better OOF IMO. They are both great lenses, so you can't really go wrong. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and recommendations. Like many, it seems they kept both Cron and Lux in their kit. or sell Cron for Lux sometimes later. I might buy Cron type3 and new Lux Asph or just jump onto Lux Asph Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
framestore Posted June 23, 2011 Author Share #10 Posted June 23, 2011 Indeed, the current Summilux 50 ASPH is technically one of the most outstanding lenses in Leica's stable. However, it's mostly about rendering. If you like a more classic look, the Cron 50 range (i.e., including older versions) gives you plenty to choose from. While I love the Lux, I regularly use both a 1955 Collapsible and have recently acquired (through the B&S section of this forum) a 1966 Type II rigid. If you haven't already, you may want to look at the pictures taken by Thorsten Overgaard (a forum member and excellent photographer) with the latter. You may also want to look at my website below: many of the pictures I took on a recent trip to Cuba were taken with M8 or M9 and the Collapsible Summicron. These older lenses have great character and are easier to find these days - not to mention that they are much less expensive than a current (or a used pre-ASPH) Summilux. The Nokton is a very good lens, but is substantially larger/heavier and (price aside) IMO really needs to be compared to the Noctilux from a functional perspective. Thank you, they're really great pictures..! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted June 23, 2011 Share #11 Posted June 23, 2011 You are more likely to find a used 50mm Summicron than a new one. In which case, condition is important. Buy from a good dealer who will include a warranty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuanvo1982 Posted June 24, 2011 Share #12 Posted June 24, 2011 Cron is super sharp at 2. Lux is a little bit softer than Cron. Cron aperture ring is very smooth. Lux is abit havier than Cron. Cron is a (flare)flary lens even including hood. Lux is anti-flare even without hood. Finally, I have sold my Cron because of flare. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
framestore Posted June 25, 2011 Author Share #13 Posted June 25, 2011 Thanks for you all comments Based on your suggestions and advises, I'm now decided on a 2nd hand Lux 50/1.4 type2. I found one it's 1980's and good con'd. What would be reasonable price, please advise. Thanks, Joe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted June 25, 2011 Share #14 Posted June 25, 2011 Take a look here Leica M Mount Lens Guide although their ranges may sometimes be on the low side given the prices that some of this old glass has been fetching lately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted June 25, 2011 Share #15 Posted June 25, 2011 Cron is sharper but the lux has this look about it that I love. I regretted selling my v4 cron when I moved to the 35MM asph but since going back to 50MM and having the lux.. I am happy again. The 1.4 can create some wonderful photos. I beg to differ. The Cron is not sharper, at least not to the newest ASPH Lux. If you are talking the older NON ASPH I don't know as I never had one of those. But I did have both the Cron and the ASPH Lux and I sold the Cron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted June 25, 2011 Share #16 Posted June 25, 2011 Thanks for you all comments Based on your suggestions and advises, I'm now decided on a 2nd hand Lux 50/1.4 type2. I found one it's 1980's and good con'd. What would be reasonable price, please advise. Thanks, Joe IMHO that is a poor choice. In that case I would of gotten the Cron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
insomnia Posted June 25, 2011 Share #17 Posted June 25, 2011 Insulting post moderated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 27, 2011 Share #18 Posted June 27, 2011 Insomnia, please do not insult other members. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
framestore Posted June 30, 2011 Author Share #19 Posted June 30, 2011 IMHO that is a poor choice. In that case I would of gotten the Cron. Thank you for your comments. I'm just being get tired to look for an classical lux (ver, ii to iv), it's very rare and often not much different in price in comparison to new. Now, I decided to get one, in brand new. No-one seems have one in stock in silver in Uk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted June 30, 2011 Share #20 Posted June 30, 2011 Thank you for your comments. I'm just being get tired to look for an classical lux (ver, ii to iv), it's very rare and often not much different in price in comparison to new. Now, I decided to get one, in brand new. No-one seems have one in stock in silver in Uk. I hate to tell you but the 50mm Lux ASPH is one of the hardest lenses to come by. I got mine years ago, about 4, and then had to buy a chrome version when I really wanted the black version. Not that I dislike chrome, all my M's have been chrome but one M8 and a M7 which I sold. But I took the first one I could find in stock. That was from B&H in NYC. Good luck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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