johnloumiles Posted July 16, 2011 Share #181 Posted July 16, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm wondering how this will affect the X series. I think a lot of people, myself included expected the X2 would have a built in VF of some sort. As it stands I feel like the X1 is near the top of the game in terms of performance and at 2000k I think a upgrade like that would be in order to keep it in competition with the X100. What does this new camera system mean for the X1, what price point will it occupy to keep the X1 relevant? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jerry_R Posted July 16, 2011 Share #182 Posted July 16, 2011 I'm wondering how this will affect the X series O, so we have X series? I thought there is one camera only so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnloumiles Posted July 16, 2011 Share #183 Posted July 16, 2011 O, so we have X series?I thought there is one camera only so far. You know, one of the fun things about the Internet is you can not know for sure if someone is being sarcastic or in this case, condescending. There should be a special font that delineates the different modes of speech. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janki Posted July 16, 2011 Share #184 Posted July 16, 2011 You know, one of the fun things about the Internet is you can not know for sure if someone is being sarcastic or in this case, condescending. There should be a special font that delineates the different modes of speech. A straightforward way to do that is for instance to use the different facial moods. After having expressed yourself a bit sarcastic, it may perhaps be appropriate to put this face behind the text: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry_R Posted July 16, 2011 Share #185 Posted July 16, 2011 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnloumiles Posted July 16, 2011 Share #186 Posted July 16, 2011 Or one could act like an adult and contribute their ideas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 16, 2011 Share #187 Posted July 16, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Leica would be incredibly smart to make this APS-C camera use a standard Micro4/3 lens mount and to manufacture a new line of auto-focus lenses to go with it. They could then cash in on the M4/3 lens market, selling to all the Panasonic and Olympus users, as well as create a new market for their own M and R lenses by supplying adapters for each of those lines. I'd hope for an integrated EVF. I must presume you are being entirely facetious. What you imagine already exists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry_R Posted July 16, 2011 Share #188 Posted July 16, 2011 This topic has been sooo heavily discussed on the forum this year, last year. In so many threads... Which... frequently were finishing with aggression from people protecting M rangefinder against LV, EVF, etc. - do not understanding, that new system do not need to be M. As for long time it was not sure, if Leica is talking more about M10 or new system, new line. Is there a sense to repeat? If people have time, here are just few examples: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digital-forum/161537-r-solution-more-details.html http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digital-forum/143592-no-r-solution-photokina.html http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/157718-evf-m9.html http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digital-forum/124813-m10-new-camera-line-merged.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted August 8, 2011 Share #189 Posted August 8, 2011 techradar.com cites a conversation with Leica UK's Richard Swan that the upcoming camera will be priced between the x1 and m9, have an aps-c sized sensor, and interchangeable lens compatible with M-mount lenses http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/cameras/more-leica-compact-system-camera-details-emerge-984742[/url] originally saw story in Leica Rumors. more fuel to keep the thread fires burning until photokina 2012 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted August 8, 2011 Share #190 Posted August 8, 2011 techradar.com cites a conversation with Leica UK's Richard Swan that the upcoming camera will be priced between the x1 and m9, have an aps-c sized sensor, and interchangeable lens compatible with M-mount lenses According to the statements attributed to Richard Swan the sensor will be “at least” an APS-C sensor (i.e. it might be bigger) which is exactly what Leica had said before. And Richard Swan couldn’t even state for certain that the camera would have interchangeable lenses, something we had taken for granted so far. If the lenses should turn out to be interchangeable, Swan expects the camera to be compatible with M lenses which could be taken to imply anything from a modified M mount to the availability of an optional M adapter. All in all the article reveals nothing we didn’t know before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 8, 2011 Share #191 Posted August 8, 2011 Full announcement at Photokina is confirmed there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted August 8, 2011 Share #192 Posted August 8, 2011 Full announcement at Photokina is confirmed there. Either that or until further notice. More likely Photokina announcement could be M9P Tit (up). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted August 8, 2011 Share #193 Posted August 8, 2011 More likely Photokina announcement could be M9P Tit (up). The other likely photokina announcement would be the M10, but that is just conjecture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted August 9, 2011 Share #194 Posted August 9, 2011 The other likely photokina announcement would be the M10, but that is just conjecture. Should I sell my 2months old M9 now, or wait until a M11 comes out? The high ISO performance is soo much better with the M10, as I have read Also, Nikon will introduce the D4 in a few weeks, which will have weather sealing and a higher resolution sensor than the old M9 - should I jump ship? … or is the Canon 5D MkII the better platform, until the M10 is announced. How does the value hold up of the L lenses, when I jump ship for a Canon 5D MkII system and sell it, when the M10 is announced? How much will the M11 be and will Leica make a chrome version of it? … Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiver Posted August 9, 2011 Share #195 Posted August 9, 2011 Should I sell my 2months old M9 now, or wait until a M11 comes out?The high ISO performance is soo much better with the M10, as I have read Also, Nikon will introduce the D4 in a few weeks, which will have weather sealing and a higher resolution sensor than the old M9 - should I jump ship? … or is the Canon 5D MkII the better platform, until the M10 is announced. How does the value hold up of the L lenses, when I jump ship for a Canon 5D MkII system and sell it, when the M10 is announced? How much will the M11 be and will Leica make a chrome version of it? Dirk, I would sell the M9 while it still has value, and keep using your film M's and lenses. After all, film bodies never go down in price, and Leica lens prices are sky high, if you can find them at all. As for the D4 having weather sealing, the M11 will surely have weather sealing too. So why not wait for that? Selling your M9 will give you the cash for the M11 when it comes out. I should think that Leica will indeed make a chrome M11, first as a Neiman Marcus special edition with snakeskin covering and gold filigree presentation box, and then months later as a professional version that costs $1000 more along with a sapphire screen and no red dot. Best to sell that M9 now, keep your M lenses, and wait for the M11-P (chrome). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted August 9, 2011 Share #196 Posted August 9, 2011 Is M11 going to be CCD or CMOS, or maybe AgX Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted August 9, 2011 Share #197 Posted August 9, 2011 Is M11 going to be CCD or CMOS, or maybe AgX If Leica evolves from the current sensor generation, upgrading to new AgX sensors in a future M11, I will be all over it! It would be fantastic, if the engineers in Solms could invent a way, of implementing a more silent, fully battery independent mechanical device for the user to operate, to set the camera ready for the next frame. Imagine a way, to implement a counter device, that would also always display the precise frame count without using a menu system on the camera, even, when the battery is fully depleted, or the camera is switched off Fantastic would be also, if Leica could make the M a bit smaller, like a few millimeter less high and maybe 5 millimeter less thick - look … with the Japanese camera makers miniaturization is all the hype! Just dreaming, but think about a way, to always be able, to see on the camera, which ISO speed you have selected, or even setting it directly without a menu system. Now imagine, Leica could add an optional device, that lets you shoot frames into a 36 exposure RAW buffer at high speed! Leica could design the future M in a way, that one could choose, wether this high speed device is battery driven or fully independent from batteries! What about implementing different finders for different people - the ones, that prefer wider lenses and for the ones, who like to shoot longer lenses? Would it be possible, to manufacture a Leica M, that would be less critical in usage in the rain? What about a future M, that would have a standardized medium for saving pictures, that will hold up with the industry for the upcoming decades and does not need regular firmware upgrades or will be obsolete or problematic to use? Could Leica include more diverse "profiles", to get a individual look to each photographers pictures without using post processing software or RAW converters? … But I guess, this is all future music, possibly not technically viable, as of design constraints with such a small full frame camera system … Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krabat Posted August 10, 2011 Share #198 Posted August 10, 2011 A very nice and stimulating look into the future, menos. However, the point with the anticipated AgX sensor will be, that "for technical reasons" the pre-settings of ISO and whether colour or black/white will maintain for 36 frames. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheikhrafiq79 Posted August 11, 2011 Share #199 Posted August 11, 2011 what is agx sensor? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted August 11, 2011 Share #200 Posted August 11, 2011 what is agx sensor? That's the stuff, that always makes you run out of cold drinks in the summer time, as the fridge is occupied. … film When I wrote my above post about possible improvements to a future M, it dawned to me, that actually everything I need and want a M to be has already been there - I mean precisely, as I want it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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