mmradman Posted June 22, 2011 Share #41 Posted June 22, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I would be interested too if it's as responsive as an R8 (better would be as responsive as an SL). APS-C does not interest me. Exactly, finding EVF that is close to optical viewfinder will be it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pico Posted June 22, 2011 Share #42 Posted June 22, 2011 Absolutely uninterested. I've used the same an 4/3. Small, clumsy camera controls for even a midget. Sensor quality <fair. Leica had better to it better than the best. I'll stick to film Ms ad the M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan States Posted June 23, 2011 Share #43 Posted June 23, 2011 Absolutely uninterested. I've used the same an 4/3. Small, clumsy camera controls for even a midget. Sensor quality <fair. Leica had better to it better than the best. I'll stick to film Ms ad the M9. Versus what at this point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted June 23, 2011 Share #44 Posted June 23, 2011 Pretty much all the EVIL cameras out there take R lenses if you spring for an adapter; I would be surprised if the new system did not. But it isn’t meant to be a revival of the R system, i.e. it won’t support R lenses natively, if only because R lenses don’t support AF. The lack of AF will be a real bummer, and I suspect only the hardcore group will use the camera thus. Also, not sure if the R lenses will balance on a compact body. I've got a feeling that Panasonic is going to be in the mix somewhere...and if Panasonic is involved, I doubt that this camera will be particularly compact -- a really compact Leica could do some damage to Panasonic's very successful m4/3 program. I suspect we'll see something that resembles the Pentax K5 (which is quite compact, but notably larger than m4/3.) If the sensor quality is comparable to the M9 quality, and if there's a line of compact Leica-quality lenses (the size of the Pentax pancakes or even somewhat larger than those) I could well be in the market for this camera. It would be competing head-to-head with the Canon and Nikon APS-C entries, and their systems; in which case, compactness and quality will be critical. I hope you are wrong (about its size), coz if it is comparable to other APS-C cameras I for one wont be interested. IF Leica says compact I would imagine it to be really compact, given the fact their cameras are really really small...looking at the M9 vs FF cams, the S2 vs MF cams, and the X1 vs even the X100 released more than a year later. So I am thinking leica probably may stick to making the best portable cameras. I cannot realistically expect the sensor quality to approach leica's flagship M9 (though dont we all wish for it to be so). It is somehow inferred in the article (at least to me) that it will be a lower end range of camera as compared to the M9. The fact that aps-c was mentioned is probably testament to my assumption. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrc Posted June 23, 2011 Share #45 Posted June 23, 2011 The problem with APS-C (or bigger) sensors is that they tend to require bigger lenses, if those lenses offer auto-focus, as this system apparently will. It is possible to produce non-auto-focus primes that are quite small -- M lenses -- but on a system like this, I suspect most people will want auto-focus, probably image stabilization (though that would probably be internal) and zooms. If the lenses are bigger, it helps to have a somewhat larger body to balance the lens...though the NEX does not do this, and seems to be selling to a certain extent. In any case, that's why I think this system will not be terribly small, though not much bigger than an M9. (A Pentax K5 isn't *that* much bigger than an M9, and if you lose the mirror, I think you could get into the M9 size range.) But, it will not be as small, as a system, as the m4/3. I think Panasonic may be involved not necessarily for the sensors, but for all the other electronics, programming, etc. Since Leica and Panasonic continue to have a relationship (see the new m4/3 "Leica" 25mm), I would think it would be efficient to tap Panasonic for the computer guts. I don't think it'll be a rebadged anything. Since it is plunging into a sector that is fairly small in absolute sales, and is hotly contested by Canon, Nikon, Sony, Pentax, etc., it better have something more than a price and a brand name to distinguish it. A great sensor would be one thing...I just don't know where they'd get it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruhayat Posted June 23, 2011 Share #46 Posted June 23, 2011 Oo. The size of the X1, but will take M lenses natively, and R lenses with an adapter. Perfect. At a pinch, I'll take one at the X100 size, to accommodate a viewfinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Reading Posted June 23, 2011 Share #47 Posted June 23, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I can't imagine that the CSC will be larger then an M9. I would be surprised if it it isn't like a Pen or CL in size. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macjim Posted June 23, 2011 Share #48 Posted June 23, 2011 A great sensor would be one thing...I just don't know where they'd get it. Kodak…That's where the M9 sensor comes from. Isn't the X1 sensor an aps-c sensor? Cheers, Macjim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhsimmonds Posted June 23, 2011 Share #49 Posted June 23, 2011 This camera could revive my Leica interests! The APS-C modern sensor is capable of superb definition even at very high ISO. The key will be the viewfinder and some incredible developments in this area have taken place recently, ie Sony's NEX series and their latest Alpha developments but only the Fuji hybrid optical/EVF has really tempted me so far for my preferred OVF, with option of EVF when needed. The quality of Leica lenses would be a given and even Leica would not launch a new camera in this range without it capable of AF An AF camera can also be used for manual focus if the VF is up to it. Yep, the next Photokina will be very interesting indeed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruhayat Posted June 23, 2011 Share #50 Posted June 23, 2011 Regarding lens size, when I still had my Olympus m4/3 camera, I had the 17mm(35mm)/2.8 lens and was seriously considering the Panasonic/Leica 45mm(90mm)/2.8. Both of these were tiny. Okay, the 17mm is just about the same size as the CV Color-Skopar 35mm/2.5 (which on m4/3 becomes a terrifically tiny 70mm/2.5), but the 17mm had autofocus! So even if the Leica-X doesn;t use M lenses, that might not be such a bad thing. As the newer lenses might be even smaller! With AF! Yummy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruhayat Posted June 23, 2011 Share #51 Posted June 23, 2011 Kodak…That's where the M9 sensor comes from. Isn't the X1 sensor an aps-c sensor? Yes. And it's been speculated (proven?) that the sensor comes from Sony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted June 23, 2011 Share #52 Posted June 23, 2011 Sony is almost ready to present new generation electronic viewfinders with 3 MP of resolution... they will serve a new generation of high resolution APS-C sensors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted June 23, 2011 Share #53 Posted June 23, 2011 The lack of AF will be a real bummer, and I suspect only the hardcore group will use the camera thus. Huh? The R system has never supported AF and R lenses have to be focused manually when using those lenses with an EVIL body; even Leica cannot change that. AF will require dedicated AF lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted June 23, 2011 Share #54 Posted June 23, 2011 Kodak…That's where the M9 sensor comes from. Isn't the X1 sensor an aps-c sensor? The X1 has a Sony sensor. An EVIL cameras depends on live-view which in turn requires a CMOS sensor; Kodak only manufactures CCDs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 23, 2011 Share #55 Posted June 23, 2011 Bigger than APS-C might mean APS-H a la M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted June 23, 2011 Share #56 Posted June 23, 2011 Bigger than APS-C might mean APS-H a la M8. Didn't he say 'at least' aps-c? So it could be aps-c after all. I'd guess made by panasonic on behalf of Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 23, 2011 Share #57 Posted June 23, 2011 Something like that perhaps: CAMERA BODY AND IMAGING DEVICE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted June 23, 2011 Share #58 Posted June 23, 2011 Bigger than APS-C might mean APS-H a la M8. Making it with a CMOS sensor of M8 size would be imho a smart choice... a way to "make something different" as thay say... a way to avoid strict comparision with Sony Fuij Samsung etc... a way to "blink" to M users and convincing them to buy. I think the main issue is to have a GOOD EVF... The news about Dr. Kaufman investment in LFI is also interesting... I wonder who has the intellectual property of the brand title "Many Eyes, One Camera" ... given the mission of LFI, Dr. Kaufmann could be interested in BUYING also the rights on that fine name... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted June 23, 2011 Share #59 Posted June 23, 2011 April 2012 #post no. 5.437........... I hope it will be smaller than a m and with a lens like a CL. " Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted June 23, 2011 Share #60 Posted June 23, 2011 #post no. 5.438.333333333 will it have a kodak sensor or will it be a sony as stated in #post no.17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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