vanhulsenbeek Posted April 24, 2011 Author Share #61 Posted April 24, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Could not agree more! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Stealth3kpl Posted April 24, 2011 Share #62 Posted April 24, 2011 Getting back to my original question, what lens should I get for my M2? Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted April 24, 2011 Share #63 Posted April 24, 2011 Getting back to my original question, what lens should I get for my M2? Pete What straps do you have on the M2 and do you prefer landscape or portrait formats? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roydonian Posted April 24, 2011 Share #64 Posted April 24, 2011 A new forum can be quite intimidating, even for an experienced computer user. A few months ago, I signed up with an Indian forum on a specialised (non-photographic) topic and used the ‘search’ facility to look for any posts on the specific topic I was interested in. Having had no success with that tactic, I posted an inquiry. The responses were: Two messages on the lines of ‘Watch me insult this guy before the moderator locks the thread.” A message from the moderator giving me details of another website that would allegedly be able to help. The thread was then locked by the moderator to prevent further postings, and the website I had been directed to turned out to be a general ‘chat’ site. So I can only assume that I had broken some forum rule. Perhaps I was considered to be another “lazy forum twit”. But with this sort of experience under my belt, I take a fairly tolerant view of ‘newbie’ questions on this and other forums, no matter how often they have been asked in the past. Hearing questions for the umpteenth time is part of life. Next weekend I’ll be attending the first day trip of 2011 organised by a large camera club of which I am a member. I could well be asked at least one of the following commonly-asked questions by members I have yet to meet: “Why don’t you use a DSLR like everyone else?” “What is the point of having a rangefinder camera?” “Are Leicas as good as their owners like to think?” “Don’t you realise that Leica is just a rip-off for stupid rich people?” I’ll try to answer as best I can, perhaps along with explaining to a puzzled ‘newbie’ that his camera is not faulty and that he is seeing flare and should be using a lens hood. It’s part of the role of being one the club’s ‘old duffers’. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fursan Posted April 24, 2011 Share #65 Posted April 24, 2011 A certain member on this thread has used the word ' twit ' a few times. I would expect the moderators, who have been participating in this thread , to have at least politely asked that word to be deleted. Remembering that others too might come right back with an appropriate terminology in response. At least be civil, if not helpful. I know of a few ' experts ' here and the questions they asked when they first got hold of their M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanhulsenbeek Posted April 24, 2011 Author Share #66 Posted April 24, 2011 Well, a search on that t-word in wiki, comes up with: Usage notes: In the UK and UK English-speaking areas, usually used in a humorous or affectionate manner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted April 24, 2011 Share #67 Posted April 24, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Calling someone a "twit" is not a very offensive term - indeed, it's pretty mild. However, it's not something that most people would say to someone else's face. At least not in the UK. New members, asking questions that have been asked before, are definitely not "twits". Thank you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanhulsenbeek Posted April 24, 2011 Author Share #68 Posted April 24, 2011 ..Next weekend I’ll be attending the first day trip of 2011 organised by a large camera club of which I am a member. I could well be asked at least one of the following commonly-asked questions by members I have yet to meet: “Why don’t you use a DSLR like everyone else?” “What is the point of having a rangefinder camera?” “Are Leicas as good as their owners like to think?” “Don’t you realise that Leica is just a rip-off for stupid rich people?” I’ll try to answer as best I can, perhaps along with explaining to a puzzled ‘newbie’ that his camera is not faulty and that he is seeing flare and should be using a lens hood. It’s part of the role of being one the club’s ‘old duffers’. I had that happen many times during trips. The jesting and laughter usually calms down dramatically when the offenders see the results that "funny looking thang" produces. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted April 26, 2011 Share #69 Posted April 26, 2011 I was using the search function before asking a question to do with user profiles. It brought me here. The search function can be very helpful. It can also waste huge amounts of time while you scrutinise threads for something relevant. So I'll start a new thread, ask the question, perhaps politely apologise in case its already been covered and I failed to find it, and accept the abuse that comes from the few along with the helpful answers that the majority provide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fursan Posted April 26, 2011 Share #70 Posted April 26, 2011 Andy, thank you. Much appreciated. Peter H, please be assured that bar a few members here, most are civil and helpful folk. Please don't let the few put you off this valuable forum. The following are links to definitions I found for the word ' twit '. A quick search. definition of twit from Oxford Dictionaries Online twit - definition of twit by Macmillan Dictionary Twit - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary I search dictionaries for meanings, synonyms, antonyms etc. Not WiKi. Kindest regards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
larsv Posted April 26, 2011 Share #71 Posted April 26, 2011 Maybe it is a suggestion not to respond in case one cannot respond in a positive manner. It seems to me that ignoring consumes less energy and in addition avoids consuming even more energy in responding to subsequent less friendly discussions. When in doubt to respond annoyed or condescending and one cannot resist, consider to just providing a helpful link. Looking at the length and contents of this thread, I'm not sure that age makes any difference whatsoever. Btw, i'm on the good side of 40: I have had the fortune of people being kind enough to help me to where I'm now. A less positive feeling could be: I started with nothing and still have plenty of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted April 26, 2011 Share #72 Posted April 26, 2011 Hearing questions for the umpteenth time is part of life. Next weekend I’ll be attending the first day trip of 2011 organised by a large camera club of which I am a member. I could well be asked at least one of the following commonly-asked questions by members I have yet to meet: “Why don’t you use a DSLR like everyone else?” “What is the point of having a rangefinder camera?” “Are Leicas as good as their owners like to think?” “Don’t you realise that Leica is just a rip-off for stupid rich people?” I’ll try to answer as best I can [...] With respect, I suggest you follow the polite tradition of the elders of Japan and just smile and tell them what they think they want to hear. Or just smile and ignore. I'm too old to take the bait, or play catch and release. Maybe you are, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted April 27, 2011 Share #73 Posted April 27, 2011 Andy, thank you. Much appreciated. Peter H, please be assured that bar a few members here, most are civil and helpful folk. Please don't let the few put you off this valuable forum. The following are links to definitions I found for the word ' twit '. A quick search. definition of twit from Oxford Dictionaries Online twit - definition of twit by Macmillan Dictionary Twit - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary I search dictionaries for meanings, synonyms, antonyms etc. Not WiKi. Kindest regards. Twitter? Tweets? Something for twits? Or perhaps you were thinking of "twat"? Usage varies, meaning can be interpreted differently, intention stays the same. Emoticons may help, but funnily enough, we never used to need them. What's happened to courtesy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiver Posted April 28, 2011 Share #74 Posted April 28, 2011 Peter H, please be assured that bar a few members here, most are civil and helpful folk. Please don't let the few put you off this valuable forum. The forum is extremely valuable, both for information and general Leica banter. Far be it for me to be neither civil nor helpful by referring to a certain class of posters as 'twits'. Firstly, if someone is offended by the word 'twit', then perhaps one would look to the class of posters I was referring to. They are the only ones who would be offended, as they were the ones I was naming. Secondly, it's not as if I said, 'twat', 'git', or 'f-wit'. Now that would be offensive. And still, only to those I was categorizing. I must remember that this is an international forum, and not everyone will understand the vernacular usage of particular words. If I have offended any twits, twats or gits by calling them out, I apologize profusely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fursan Posted April 28, 2011 Share #75 Posted April 28, 2011 A meaning of the word under discussion was intially given according to WiKi. I have given three dictionary definitons with links. Either these dictionary definitions need to be challeged or the matter let go. I am perfectly aware of the word's usage, and the context in which it is generally used. There are those who persist in being apologists for something and someone which was/who was wrong. It should be clear that far be it for me to refer to them with that word, its derivatives and its vernacular usage. I, for one, am prepared to let it go at that. Regards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted April 28, 2011 Share #76 Posted April 28, 2011 I have given three dictionary definitons with links. Either these dictionary definitions need to be challeged or the matter let go. I'm completely lost here. Are we really debating the usage of a word that a 4-year-old may have deployed in the playground with an accompanying giggle back in the 1960s? Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fursan Posted April 28, 2011 Share #77 Posted April 28, 2011 I'm completely lost here. Are we really debating the usage of a word that a 4-year-old may have deployed in the playground with an accompanying giggle back in the 1960s? Regards, Bill Hi Bill, Essentially what we are discussing is whether it is ok/polite to call or refer to someone, newcomer or not, as a ' twit ', on this forum. Simple yes or no would be very helpful. I shall await the moderators ruling on this. Kindest regards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted April 28, 2011 Share #78 Posted April 28, 2011 I am but one Moderator, but to my mind, it is not acceptable to call a newcomer a "twit". It most certainly does not give a welcoming response to a newcomer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted April 28, 2011 Share #79 Posted April 28, 2011 It is not acceptable to insult any newcomer, IMO. Equally it is unacceptable for a newcomer - or anyone else - to behave as if the world owed them a living. A little courtesy in both directions is all that is called for. What is confusing here is the focus on the word "twit". Frankly, were I to use it today, I would do so to a friend or loved one if they had done something uncharacteristically daft. If I wanted to insult someone I would use far more creative and current terminology. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest #12 Posted April 28, 2011 Share #80 Posted April 28, 2011 I think the forum already handles this pretty well. There is nothing impolite about sending someone to another thread or the search button for most things. I think the bigger problem is information going the other direction... i.e. a few people who aggressively shut down threads in the middle because "we already know all about this." And often they're right, and often they're not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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