Dan States Posted March 29, 2011 Share #681 Posted March 29, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Have the GXR 50mm equiv. A12 and the X1 in front of me on the coffee table. Both just upgraded to the latest FW (Ricoh's was available yesterday). The GXR focuses clearly faster in good as well as low light. Additionally, the GXR's shutter lag is neglectable the X1's can be a problem. Never tried the 28mm equiv. A12, but heard it is faster than the "50" A12, so it would beat the X1's AF by quite a margin. Now with good MF and ZF functionality (distance scale, MF lock) the X1 has been transformed into a good street shooter, the shutter lag will prevent it from being a truly stealth one. What shutter lag? The click you hear is the light cap, not the shutter, which is electronic. Once focus is locked there is essentially no lag. The clicking you hear is a separate issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jcrutcher Posted March 29, 2011 Share #682 Posted March 29, 2011 What shutter lag? The click you hear is the light cap, not the shutter, which is electronic. Once focus is locked there is essentially no lag. The clicking you hear is a separate issue. I agree, if you have it manual focus and the screen turned off the shot is taken instantly. Not sure on the noise since I've turned all sound off on mine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backpage Posted March 29, 2011 Share #683 Posted March 29, 2011 The battery level indicator now features an additional setting option and thus enables better use of the battery capacity. This is in the Leica press release. What are the battery setting options? Am I missing them in the menu? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
village idiot! Posted March 30, 2011 Share #684 Posted March 30, 2011 i think most of us who use manual focus had to deal with the manual focus lock issue when we downloaded it this morning! after looking at the screen i saw the MF lock then went back to the instructions and figured out pretty quickly how to unlock it. i'm much happier that it remembers my setting when turned off and then back on. i agree, i wish it had an indicator to show the exact point of focus instead of just the DOF scale, but i'm not complaining too loudly about it. i think fimkap has the best suggesting for getting around this by using f/2.8 to set your focus point. i also noticed right off the bat that the low light auto focus is much much faster. before i loaded 2.0 i had to format my card again, when i turned on the camera it was early in the morning and i was in my dimly lit studio, i hit AF so i could do a comparison immediately after loading the new version. after i loaded 2.0 i did the same shot and it was much faster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiILX1 Posted March 30, 2011 Share #685 Posted March 30, 2011 Very nice update. Played with manual focus a bit. Green line for DOF is a great addition but I would put a mark for exact focus distance. It should be in the center of this green line, but when it goes beyond the infinity it will not be in the center any more. Switching to F2.8 should give a good indication since DOF is the least.The way this line implemented invites using hyperfocal distance for focusing, so if you move a green line toward infinity when it touches it with its right end, you're at hyperfocal distance for this given aperture. Quite nice! The manual focus lock is amazing. Someone was asking here about auto ISO and why Leica didn't allow shortest shutter speeds than 1/30 for this. I agree that this should be fixed. But you may try the following to compensate for this. Auto ISO still works if one of Aperture or Shutter speeds in Auto mode. So set shutter speed to 1/60 and Aperture for Auto. Then AutoISO will adjust ISO for correct exposure, however, the widest aperture of 2.8 will be selected if ISO is higher than 100. I couldn't figure out DOF bar and the lock- now I see them. Also your advice on shutter for the other comment is great. Thanks for your post and welcome to the forum! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted March 30, 2011 Share #686 Posted March 30, 2011 I agree, if you have it manual focus and the screen turned off the shot is taken instantly. Not sure on the noise since I've turned all sound off on mine. I believe the noise is the aperture diaphragm closing and it does cause a delay from what I can tell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reginaldwatkins Posted March 30, 2011 Share #687 Posted March 30, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello All, I for one am enjoying the updated firmware. They were close on the manual focus lock, I would have preferred an exposure lock. If I lock my focus on the subject then expose for the sky and come back to my subject I could be off on the focus at that point. Yeah, I could use the dials for shutter speed and aperture but I feel as if I can get a more granular exposure by allowing the camera to choose the shutter speed. I typically choose the aperture and let the camera choose the shutter speed. Over all, its a positive update. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidhunternyc Posted March 30, 2011 Share #688 Posted March 30, 2011 You guys, I need your help. My X1 is my first "real" digital camera, and to tell you the truth, I have no idea how to do a firmware update on my camera. How do I do this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted March 30, 2011 Share #689 Posted March 30, 2011 You guys, I need your help. My X1 is my first "real" digital camera, and to tell you the truth, I have no idea how to do a firmware update on my camera. How do I do this? there you go: Instructions for updating the LEICA X1 Firmware 1. To avoid loosing your camera settings select Menu item USER PROFILE – SAVE USER PROFILE and store the settings in one of the three available profiles. After the update you can reload the settings again (see 10.). 2. Format an SD memory card in your LEICA X1. 3. Connect your X1 camera via the supplied USB cable to your computer. Alternatively you can use a memory card reader. 4. Download the Firmware file from the Leica X1 site using the “UPDATES” link and unzip the file. 5. Save the unzipped file X1-V20.upd at the top level of the card’s folder structure. 6. Turn off the camera and disconnect the USB cable. 7. Turn on the camera by the main switch while pressing the INFO-button. 8. Confirm whether you want to update the firmware on the camera to version 2.0. You will then be prompted to restart the camera by turning the main switch. 9. After the firmware update is completed please push the MENU button, select menu item USER PROFILE – FACTORY SETTING. All new functions will then be initialized. 10. In the menu item USER PROFILE you can reload your settings from the respective profile. 11. Turn the camera off and back on again. Then format the SD memory card in your LEICA X1 again to delete the firmware file properly. To speed up the operation, find an old low capacity SD card and use it for firmware updates. Follow instructions carefully, firmware upgrade is serious operation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgio Posted March 30, 2011 Share #690 Posted March 30, 2011 My manual focus dial didn't work until pressing delete for a second.Thanks for the tip. I have renewed my love for the X1. Thank you Soleforeal; I did 'nt get it why the manual focus did not work after the installation, but after pressing delete for a second, like you said, it worked instantly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick_S Posted March 30, 2011 Share #691 Posted March 30, 2011 Hi I was wondering if someone could clarify whether the Leica X1 camera with v2.0 firmware now provides an exposure histogram preview in live view once the shutter release has been half pressed, i.e., when the actual selected aperture has been set by the camera? Two reviews I read have found significant exposure changes from the estimate with the initial live view working aperture to the final selected aperture. My wife's canon s95 sometimes shows the same behaviour and I guess it may be related to vignetting differences at different apertures. However, in the case of the s95 one can take half pressure on the shutter release and see an updated histogram to check for any substantial shift in exposure at the final aperture. I currently use a Leica M6 camera and 35mm asph and 50mm summicron lenses with XP2 B/W film scanned on a Nikon Coolscan 5000, but I would appreciate a pocket digital camera to supplement this for colour images and the Leica X1 has some nice features. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted March 30, 2011 Share #692 Posted March 30, 2011 Hello Nick and Welcome to the Leica Forum! I have just tried your experiment and can confirm that the histogram disappears once the shutter release is pressed to half-pressure point. What is important though, is that the exposure is fine, subject to occasional fine-tuning depending on the balance of tones in the subject. I find the X1 exposure metering is perfect for my purposes. Remember that the histogram reflects the in-camera jpeg conversion, not the Raw file if that has been selected for capture. (I always capture DNG where there is more scope for retrieving apparently-blown highlights). I think you should visit a dealer and handle an X1. I am sure you will like it, particularly as you are used to the photographer control needed for your M6. It is not complicated, but it rewards time spent mastering its electronics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted March 30, 2011 Share #693 Posted March 30, 2011 What shutter lag? The click you hear is the light cap, not the shutter, which is electronic. Once focus is locked there is essentially no lag. The clicking you hear is a separate issue. Set it to MF, face the camera, look straight into the lens and then push the release button You will see the aperture diaphragm closing with a delay. If you have another camera at hand try to compare. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted March 30, 2011 Share #694 Posted March 30, 2011 Two reviews I read have found significant exposure changes from the estimate with the initial live view working aperture to the final selected aperture. My wife's canon s95 sometimes shows the same behaviour and I guess it may be related to vignetting differences at different apertures. This is mostly due to difference between the quick-and-dirty image provessing during live view and the actual image processing after the shot. There will always be differences between the two histograms, with any camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted March 30, 2011 Share #695 Posted March 30, 2011 Did you also chose manual exposure? There should be NO shutter lag once you shoot fully manual... oh and manual ISO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted March 30, 2011 Share #696 Posted March 30, 2011 Did you also chose manual exposure? There should be NO shutter lag once you shoot fully manual... oh and manual ISO Yes, all in manual mode and again in direct comparison with the GXR A12 "50"mm. The latter one has almost no lag. The X1 has a more pronounced lag, which makes it feel less stealth. But let's not blow this out of proportion, it's certainly not a deal breaker. The new FW makes the X1 an effective and enjoyable tool for MF/ZF, much more so then before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick_S Posted March 30, 2011 Share #697 Posted March 30, 2011 WDA wrote: "Hello Nick and Welcome to the Leica Forum! I have just tried your experiment and can confirm that the histogram disappears once the shutter release is pressed to half-pressure point." Hi WDA, thanks for checking this out and for your welcome greeting. MJH, I was referring to reports of significant changes in the camera's chosen exposure at the initial viewing aperture and then when it closes to the selected aperture during a half-press of the shutter, i.e., both in live view as described in this review section: Leica X1 Review: 7. Operation (live view): Digital Photography Review It seems that no histogram is provided during the final exposure selection when the lens is set to its chosen aperture, during the half-press prior to releasing the shutter. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allnm Posted March 30, 2011 Share #698 Posted March 30, 2011 There's been a few posts about MF freezing after the update ( me included), and a new thread started on it. I think its always best to reset to factory defaults after the firmware update. Custom picture settings may not be relevant or necessary after the update. After a reset, you can correctly customise the new settings. This would also stop the MF freeze issues. Allan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted March 30, 2011 Share #699 Posted March 30, 2011 Haven't had a chance to do a real test yet, but one disappointment is that there is no DNG only option. This has just been Tweeted by Leica leica_camera Leica Camera AG @spylaw4 @snotwit DNG only mode in the X1 will not be possible but we have heard you as far as future model developments are concerned Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielsan Posted March 30, 2011 Share #700 Posted March 30, 2011 future model developments are concerned so the X2 will get this feature Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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