mobeyone Posted March 25, 2011 Share #1 Posted March 25, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Having had the 50MM cron (which I miss...) and now the 35MM ASPH... I am finding myself looking at the 50MMlux... Now, I am getting on a lot better with the 35 and getting really good results but will the 1.4 be a huge improvement in lowlight over the f2 cron? 35MM lux asph is out of the question but the 50 would be great.. if I could even find one in silver chrome! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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epand56 Posted March 25, 2011 Share #2 Posted March 25, 2011 I have the silver chrome Lux 50/1.4 asph and it sure is my favorite lens. It is on my M8 most of the time. Its only weakness, if i have to find one, is the weight. The black one is much lighter. I'm always surprised when people sell this lens, it is the last one i would part from. However I wish you to find one soon, you'll love it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted March 26, 2011 Share #3 Posted March 26, 2011 Why would you want a 50mm Summilux ASPH? Because, IF you want and can do good work with a 50mm lens, then this is the best damn 50mm lens there is. I once owned both the current 50mm 'cron, and the pre-ASPH 'lux. I sold both and got myself a 'lux ASPH way back in 2005. The 'cron's IQ was very good, but the lens was prone to strange flare phenomena that spoiled images I thought I had captured (you see those things on a SLR screen, but not with a RF camera). The old 'lux was very robust in that respect, and a lovely lens in many ways, but you had to stop it down to f:8 to get good quality in the corners. The 'lux ASPH is as good at 1.4 as the 'cron is at 2, and remarkably flare-free. Its images can show a brilliance that is close to tactile. The extra stop was not very important to my deliberations. F:2 goes a long way with digital. By the way, I feel that 50mm (52, actually) is different enough to 35mm that I often carry both my 'lux ASPHs. The old man from the Age of the 5cm Elmar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freusen Posted March 26, 2011 Share #4 Posted March 26, 2011 ............by the way, I feel that 50mm is different enough to 35mm that I often carry both my 'lux ASPHs........... +1 ____________ FrankR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted March 26, 2011 Share #5 Posted March 26, 2011 What Lars said. The 35 Lux ASPH and the 50 Lux ASPH are individually stellar. Together they form a duo that effectively covers the vast middle ground of all the things one might ever contemplate doing with a rangefinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobeyone Posted March 26, 2011 Author Share #6 Posted March 26, 2011 Thanks for the replies! Even though I have the M8.. I still want a 50 and if I was to come across a silver 50MM asph, I think I would part with the 35 Cron ASPH almost immediately even though I now love this lens. Chasing Amy I think.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted March 26, 2011 Share #7 Posted March 26, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Depends if you want sterility or not. IMO the current range of ASPH lenses have reached such a level of optical perfection they have lost all trace of character. The flip side to that is that anyone and their pet hamster can take a technically competent shot these days without being troubled by the time and patience required to attain a level of personal competence. Add to that the fact that the Summilux has become the "must have" fashion-statement lens du jour and there you go. IMO Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 26, 2011 Share #8 Posted March 26, 2011 ...will the 1.4 be a huge improvement in lowlight over the f2 cron?... Comparing an f/1.4 to an f/2 lens is like comparing apples to oranges if you will forgive me. For low light, f/2 is not open enough if you want to avoid high isos. Only choice is f/0.95, f/1, f/1.2 or f/1.4 at Leica's, and if you prefer f/1.4, you'll have to choose between two lenses, the asph and pre-asph Summilux. I'm lucky enough to own both lenses but if i had to keep only one of them, i would ask to myself if sharpness is my main goal or not. If it is so, you'll be more than happy with the 50/1.4 asph because it is sharp at all apertures. To compare with your Summicron, it gets the same feeling of sharpness at f/1.4 than the Summicron at f/2.8 so to speak. Beware that the 50/1.4 asph is a very contrasty lens though. Blown highlights guaranteed if you don't care. Now if you want character, as does Bill above, i would take a pre-asph Summilux instead. The last version (with built-in hood) is a bit soft at f/1.4 which is great for portrait of not so young people but f/1.4 is a fully workable aperture anyway if sharpness in the angles is not a priority. At f/2 the lens is slightly sharper than the Summicron at the same aperture and at f/2.8 and on i couldn't tell a difference between them, save that the Summilux is almost totally flare free. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobeyone Posted March 26, 2011 Author Share #9 Posted March 26, 2011 I love the look of both old and new.. but edge more towards the look of the ASPH. With me having a 90MM elmarit and the 35 Cron.. I see both these going to fund a 50 Lux and as you say, F2 in low light just is not enough sometimes given ISO on the M8. I love contrast in my photos so it looks like its a given.. have to find one... and the extra ££! but prices seem to be on the high side at the moment.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted March 26, 2011 Share #10 Posted March 26, 2011 ... Add to that the fact that the Summilux has become the "must have" fashion-statement lens du jour and there you go. ... Surely the "must have" fashion-statement lens du jour would be the Noctilux wouldn't it, Bill? (Noctilux owners: please don't flame me, I mean no disrespect.) Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted March 26, 2011 Share #11 Posted March 26, 2011 Sorry, Pete, I wasn't listing anything made of unobtanium Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted March 26, 2011 Share #12 Posted March 26, 2011 Sorry, Pete, I wasn't listing anything made of unobtanium Oh I see, Bill, just those made from trickytofindium then? Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted March 26, 2011 Share #13 Posted March 26, 2011 We still have Francium as a not so easy to find element, unobtainium and trickytofindium and notsoeasytogetium are more abundant. Francium however exists, unlike the latter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted March 26, 2011 Share #14 Posted March 26, 2011 We still have Francium as a not so easy to find element, unobtainium and trickytofindium and notsoeasytogetium are more abundant. Francium however exists, unlike the latter. Ah, but how do you know that in fact the others do exist but they're so hard to acquire that they appear not to exist? ... Or that they behave like photons that exist as both waves and particles. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted March 26, 2011 Share #15 Posted March 26, 2011 Depends if you want sterility or not. IMO the current range of ASPH lenses have reached such a level of optical perfection they have lost all trace of character. If I thought my pictures were dependent on optical aberrations for character, I would stop making them. Picture character – real character, not a gimmick – comes from the photographer's interaction with his/her subject. The flip side to that is that anyone and their pet hamster can take a technically competent shot these days without being troubled by the time and patience required to attain a level of personal competence. Frankly, I doubt that the hamster would be able to focus any lens correctly. With an AF Nikon, maybe ... Add to that the fact that the Summilux has become the "must have" fashion-statement lens du jour and there you go. IMO Regards, Bill My lenses and cameras are tools, not fashionable accessories. I don't give a damn what other people think about them are use them for. I returned to the Leica M when it still was an obsolete camera that seemed doomed to die a lingering death in the nostalgia corner. All right Bill, I did see that smiley ... The incorrigible old man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterSchlicht Posted March 26, 2011 Share #16 Posted March 26, 2011 ... because it is the best 50mm lens available. It is on my 95% of the time. No further discussion... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted March 26, 2011 Share #17 Posted March 26, 2011 Hi Unless you are extravagant, the best 5cm lens options are f/2.5 summarit f/2.8 Elmar M (post 94 model) used f/2.5 CV LTM used not detectably different... light, compact, cheaper... Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted March 26, 2011 Share #18 Posted March 26, 2011 ... not detectably different... If you're looking to use the 50 Summillux asph wide open for isolating objects with shallow depth of field it's certainly detectably different. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted March 26, 2011 Share #19 Posted March 26, 2011 Hi Peter True but You dont see this effect when you look at some one in low light, or do you? Have any of the classic painters ever painted a picture like that? The reason for the first question is I dont detect that effect. Noel P.S. Well impressed by Andrew's camera... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 27, 2011 Share #20 Posted March 27, 2011 Noel, slow lens = high iso = grain in low light, so detectably (or delectably?) different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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