Peter Branch Posted January 29, 2007 Share #41  Posted January 29, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Dont forget the 1,4 50mm ASPH, where i think that this is the really universal lens, if you would only go with one lens. Its amazing sharp and shows a nice bokeh at 1,4  I'm sorry but I don't agree about the 50mm focal length being a "universal lens" when used on an M8 - it is too long. It's close to saying that the 75mm was the universal lens with film. I do agree that the 50mm is an excellent portrait / people lens on the M8 and the availability of f/1 or f/1.4 is a real plus for separating the subject clearly from the background, but I would require a lot of convincing that 50mm is not now a "specialist" focal length to be purchased by those who need it or those filling out an already comprehensive lens collection.  To me it's a pity that Leica put so much effort into the 50mm f/1.4 ASPH so close to the introduction of the M8. We now have five 50mm lenses available - that can't be right for a world soon to be dominated by digital on an 18 x 27 mm sensor. This is not to deny that the 50mm f/1.4 ASPH is anything other than a fantastic lens, one of the very best in the range, but it's not the flagship that it was perhaps intended to be.  This is all made more poignant by the relative lesser performance of the two 35mm lenses – which are arguably the new universal lenses and the lack of a 28mm f/1.4 to back them up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted January 29, 2007 Share #42  Posted January 29, 2007  This is all made more poignant by the relative lesser performance of the two 35mm lenses – which are arguably the new universal lenses and the lack of a 28mm f/1.4 to back them up.  Mmmh, nothing wrong with the 35/1.4asph IMO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 29, 2007 Share #43  Posted January 29, 2007 Zitat von Peter Branch This is all made more poignant by the relative lesser performance of the two 35mm lenses – which are arguably the new universal lenses and the lack of a 28mm f/1.4 to back them up.  Most Summicron 35 asph users, myself included, will be rather surprised at that statement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted January 29, 2007 Share #44  Posted January 29, 2007 This is all made more poignant by the relative lesser performance of the two 35mm lenses – which are arguably the new universal lenses and the lack of a 28mm f/1.4 to back them up.  I agree about using a 50 on the M8 - It has become a bit of a 'neither here nor there' focal length - but the 35/F1.4 ASPH is in no way an inferior lens to the 50 ASPH. I've owned most of the modern M lenses and the 35 'lux is probably the finest of the lot (the 28 'cron is also beyond reproach but is a stop slower). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Branch Posted January 29, 2007 Share #45 Â Posted January 29, 2007 Mmmh, nothing wrong with the 35/1.4asph IMO Â Sorry again - but neither of the two 35mm lenses is as good, in almost any respect, as the 50mm f/1.4 ASPH. I also own some of these lenses and have access to the others. Leica's own data supports the difference - see the MTF curves. Â In part we are back to the "over-evaluation" of wide angle lenses because the images contain more and finer detail. Â Are the 35mm lenses poor? Absolutely not they are very good - but by any objective standards they are not quite the equal of the other recent Leica lenses. Â My point is that rather than have the 50mm f/1.4 ASPH as one of the very best lenses in the range it should - in an M8 world - have been the 35mm f/1.4 ASPH. It isn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted January 29, 2007 Share #46 Â Posted January 29, 2007 Just a public thank you to one of our forum members that is selling his 90 apo to me Mr Woody Spedden a fine member and gentleman and such a pleasant price. A real asset to this community. Thanks Woody your golden in my eye. Â Just for that any member that needs a R lens and that is looking for my e-bay ads on the 28,50 and 80 lux for R lenses . I will ship them for free if you do the buy it now , just put a LUF in your payment and i will refund the shipping plus what the hell 25 dollars more back to you. Feeling generous today Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted January 30, 2007 Share #47 Â Posted January 30, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) If MTF data is going to be the important criteria for judging lenses then the standard and longer lenses will generally win out over the shorter lenses. I'm not sure there is any point beating oneself up over the fact that the 35/1.4's MTF data is not the equal of the 50/1.4's data. In the real world, the 35/1.4 ASPH is essentially a lens without compromise: a lens that can be used at full aperture with absolute confidence (and with better flare resistance than any of the 50s, bar the Noctilux). Â Far better, I think, to bemoan the fact that the digital M doesn't (and may never) have a full-frame sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pklein Posted January 30, 2007 Share #48 Â Posted January 30, 2007 Guy - I fully understand your genuine need to have every available tool in your bag. I was prevented for 40 years by my contract of employment from gaining any personal pecuniary benefit from photography . Â Peter: Why did your employer not allow you to gain any "personal pecuniary benefit" from photography? Did you work for a newspaper or magazine? Â --Peter (from Seattle) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted January 30, 2007 Share #49 Â Posted January 30, 2007 Well I think Peter's issue was he was a employee. I also did 15 years as a employee of Honeywell as there chief photographer and any image i shot belonged to them, now I could also freelance but Peters position may not have allowed that given his employer and maybe if he worked for the government or something lke that. But i have 15 years of images that i can ONLY use to promote Guy Mancuso Photography but not sell those images because of copyright infringement. So certain companies have certain contracts and rules. Not answering for Peter but just giving a example of how that may have worked for him. Mine was a pretty loose relationship , his may have been to the letter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
c6gowin Posted January 30, 2007 Share #50  Posted January 30, 2007 Guy, you are going to love the 90 AA. I actually use it more than I thought I would, but then again, I tend to visualize long more readily than wide. Here are a couple of very different 90AA shots. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/14567-75-apo-vs-90-apo/?do=findComment&comment=156497'>More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted January 30, 2007 Share #51 Â Posted January 30, 2007 My kind of lens . Sharp. yes this will be a better fit for me than the 90 mm elmarit 2.8. I need the spped and the sharpness. The 90mm elamrit is a great lens like a cross between a lux and a cron. Very nice but I need a long low light lens. The 90 apo should do the trick. Â I know we go back and forth on lenses but really there are no dogs here at all. There are some nice lenses for the M system Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doug_m Posted January 30, 2007 Share #52 Â Posted January 30, 2007 Re: Peter's comments about the 50 1.4 ASPH Â The 50 1.4 ASPH on the M8 is more than fantastic for portraits. It might seem a bit short but it is quite brilliant when doing head shots either wide open or anywhere down to F2. It is so good on the M8 that you can get away with substantial cropping. I also suggest using it for black and white portraits- perhaps without an IR filter. Unfortunately, due to tech. challenges I can't send an example right now. Â In addition, it seems like this lens provides the perfect balance for M8 use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthury Posted January 30, 2007 Share #53  Posted January 30, 2007 another ... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/14567-75-apo-vs-90-apo/?do=findComment&comment=156721'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 30, 2007 Share #54 Â Posted January 30, 2007 Thank you very much Arthur :mad: . Now the next thing I'll do is call my Leica dealer.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Branch Posted January 30, 2007 Share #55  Posted January 30, 2007 Peter: Why did your employer not allow you to gain any "personal pecuniary benefit" from photography? Did you work for a newspaper or magazine? --Peter (from Seattle)  Peter - I worked for a very well known and very large photographic materials supplier. The argument was that as an employee it might be construed that I enjoyed an advantage over the company's customers, many of whom were working photographers, and therefore it was not reasonable to allow me to, in effect, compete for these customers’ business. I was given permission to do work for a number of specific charities on the basis of charging only my direct expenses. The company sometimes provided materials at trade prices for such work. The criteria was that the charity was never going to commission and pay a working photographer therefore no business had been lost. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted January 30, 2007 Share #56 Â Posted January 30, 2007 Sorry again - but neither of the two 35mm lenses is as good, in almost any respect, as the 50mm f/1.4 ASPH. ....... My point is that rather than have the 50mm f/1.4 ASPH as one of the very best lenses in the range it should - in an M8 world - have been the 35mm f/1.4 ASPH. It isn't. Â Peter, in which respect did you miss anything in the 35/1.4asph compared to the 50asph? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macusque Posted January 30, 2007 Share #57  Posted January 30, 2007 As much as I liked the 75 Apo, I sold it and got the 90 Apo. I never looked back. Not that it is a better lens than 75, on the contrary the 75 focusses closer hence it has some advatages, but I prefer the longer focal lenght and the cleaner look of the 28/90 framelines. Image quality wise they are both outstanding, but the longer focal lenght of the 90 Apo makes for a slightly better background separation. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/14567-75-apo-vs-90-apo/?do=findComment&comment=156818'>More sharing options...
kidigital Posted February 1, 2007 Share #58  Posted February 1, 2007 The 90 arrived today. This could be a lot of fun as it does offer a different look than my 75lux. Definitely a bit less color than the 75cron...the images seem a little bit more washed out. Not better or worse, just a different look. The only problem is that I didn't get a chance to play around with it until after dark. So, here's a soft shot at 1/45s and ISO 2500. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/14567-75-apo-vs-90-apo/?do=findComment&comment=158630'>More sharing options...
jrc Posted February 1, 2007 Share #59  Posted February 1, 2007 Guy, just curious about this, but you have all those R lenses -- have you ever considered getting a relatively cheap adapter for them and using them on the M?  http://cameraquest.com/adaptslrRFM.htm  JC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted February 1, 2007 Share #60 Â Posted February 1, 2007 John I have considered the one that you are showing. i do have a Novoflex R to M and use it with the 24mm shift i have had custom made for my DMR it is a Olyumpus 24mm shift lens that i had the mount converted to leica R . Works pretty good. have not used it on anything else yet but Woody and Kurt have been successful with it and Victor has the one from cameraquest and likes it also. Nice thing is if you happen to have the outstanding 15mm 2.8 R lens you can use it on the M like this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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