RBullCZ Posted February 10, 2011 Share #1 Posted February 10, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello, Today I let my local lab develop a roll of Kodak BW400CN, which is a third roll of film I ran trough my new (second hand) MP. First two rolls developed a week ago were flawless, but to my surprise, the film I picked up today has vertical light line on every frame. Sometimes it is even accompanied by strange flare effect. I am thinking it might be a shutter problem, but the flare confuses me. When I inspect the camera against light on various shutter times, I do not see anything what would appear out of normal to me (although I am not an expert and do not have any experience with those issues). Or maybe it could be the lab? Any opinions? I would try another roll of film tomorrow to see if this strange phenomenon will occur again. Thank you, Pavel Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/143784-possible-mp-problem-need-opinion/?do=findComment&comment=1584210'>More sharing options...
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lincoln_m Posted February 10, 2011 Share #2 Posted February 10, 2011 Pavel, That's not normal. Obvious questions:- Did you forget to rewind the film before you took the bottom off the camera? Did you place a Leicavit manual wind-on system instead of the normal base plate mid-film? The bright lines could suggest a sticking shutter mid shot, possibly at some speeds only. Make detailed notes of each frame for your next film test. It is possible that the lab tech is new and unfamiliar with the needs of film and might be loading the film in the light or opening the cassette in the light. Try another film like a simple colour neg film that doesn't need to be sent away but can be done in an hour. Does the back door close properly, it could be letting light in causing the vertical white lines. Odd how the first films were OK. I assume the problem is on the actual negs and not just on the files or prints (i.e. it could be their scanner on the blink?) I hope it is the lab and not the MP. Best of luck , Lincoln Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJohnE Posted February 11, 2011 Share #3 Posted February 11, 2011 Unless it happens constantly, I would expect the problem to be that of a cassette which is leaking light through the opening. I have had it a few times with various cameras. If it gradually disappears towards the inner frames that would confirm the hopeful explanation. John. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted February 11, 2011 Share #4 Posted February 11, 2011 Look at the negs, do the lines extend beyond the frame area down over the sprocket holes? If the answer is yes then it's definately not your shutter and most likely a fault during processing. If the lines (they will appear as dark lines on the negs of course) appear only within the frame area then you have a shutter problem or possibly an internal light leak, sometimes they come from the viewfinder area. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBullCZ Posted February 11, 2011 Author Share #5 Posted February 11, 2011 Thank you for good points and suggestions! I did rewind the film properly before opening the camera (no Leicavit attached) and I believe the camera back and bottom was closed properly. The vertical light line is present on all 39 exposed frames, but in fact it does getting little bit thinner towards the last exposed frames. Throughout the film, I was using shutter speeds ranging from 1/4 to 1/1000, but the line is etched on every frame. And on two frames exposed in consecutive order with exact same exposure values, the line is present on different position of the frame. However, the line does not extend beyond frame area towards the sprocket holes, it is confined to the exposed frame. But the odd horizontal "flare" streaks does extend across several frames couple of times. Pavel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAX Posted February 11, 2011 Share #6 Posted February 11, 2011 I answer in german, because my english ist not so good. Meine Vermutung und zugleich meine Frage um einige Dinge auszuschliessen. 1. war beim zurückspulen der Objektivdeckel aufgesetzt. ? 2. Hast Du bis zum Filmende transportiert und der Spannhebel hat beim letzten Bild schon nach einem Drittel oder Viertel des Filmtransports blockiert. ? ( Die Verschlusstücher konnten dabei nicht ganz zur Deckung gebracht werden - Spalt - ) Dabei kann es passieren das die Verschlusstücher nicht ganz deckend ( und lichtdicht ) übereinanderliegen und einen leicht versetzten Spalt bilden. Ist dann der Objektivdeckel nicht ! auf dem Objektiv und der Film wird bei grellem Tageslicht zurückgespult kommt bei jedem "Stop" mit dem Rücksspulknopf Licht auf die Stelle wo der Film in der Kamera beim zurückspulen "gestoppt" wird. Zudem spricht die Unregelmäßigkeit der Lichteinfälle definitv gegen einen Verschlussfehler und es sieht für mich - vom Abstand ausgehend - sehr nach dem Rhythmus des zurückspulens aus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBullCZ Posted February 11, 2011 Author Share #7 Posted February 11, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Aha! Vielen Dank, MBI, es kann eigentlich die Ursache sein! 1. Ich denke ja, aber bin Ich nicht ganz sicher... 2. Ja, aber alles hat glatt gelauft bis zum Ende. Here could be the culprit! I am actually recalling a "glitch", which occurred when I wanted to expose the first frame - the wind lever was stuck and I could not cock the shutter and the rewind release lever could not be engaged either. I completely forgot about this. I actually did open the camera bottom and somehow managed to release something what was "stuck" and prevented the film winding. Because that was the first frame, I did not think about this issue any more, also because the winding action went again smoothly since then. But I could mess up with the curtain sync somehow I guess? Well, I am putting a roll of cheap color film in the camera and let see if this will occur again. Although, it does not explain the strange horizontal light streaks... (EDIT - maybe yes, if I understood MBI's first point correctly) I will report the results later today. Pavel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted February 11, 2011 Share #8 Posted February 11, 2011 You have a shutter fault. Try another film first, just in case it may correct itself, but if the problem remains then you need to send the camera in for repair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted February 11, 2011 Share #9 Posted February 11, 2011 Remove the lens, and open the back trapdoor and look at (through) the shutter as you fire of frames you should not be able to detect any strange features, there should be no hesitation of the blinds, try 1/125.. Use a cheap C41 color negative.the color allows an identification of which direction the light was coming from Please scan the whole film 35mm width as a transparency we want to see the sprocket holes not the pictures, as well as a normal picture from the 24x36 frame as a normal positive. Did you buy the camera with a warranty? Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juergen Posted February 11, 2011 Share #10 Posted February 11, 2011 I answer in german, because my english ist not so good. Meine Vermutung und zugleich meine Frage um einige Dinge auszuschliessen. 1. war beim zurückspulen der Objektivdeckel aufgesetzt. ? This may be a silly question but what can the (missing) lens cap have to do with this problem? Juergen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAX Posted February 11, 2011 Share #11 Posted February 11, 2011 This may be a silly question but what can the (missing) lens cap have to do with this problem? Juergen Lichteinfall durch das Objektiv beim zurückspulen ( Light during rewind ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBullCZ Posted February 11, 2011 Author Share #12 Posted February 11, 2011 This may be a silly question but what can the (missing) lens cap have to do with this problem? Juergen I thought if there was fault in the shutter curtain and there was left a slight gap due the fail, I guess it would let the light "paint" on the film as it gets rewinded back to cassette? That is my interpretation of the idea, but I could be wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juergen Posted February 11, 2011 Share #13 Posted February 11, 2011 Lichteinfall durch das Objektiv beim zurückspulen ( Light during rewind ) Only if you have a shutter fault and even then, in my opinion, the effect would be totally different. Juergen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juergen Posted February 11, 2011 Share #14 Posted February 11, 2011 I thought if there was fault in the shutter curtain and there was left a slight gap due the fail, I guess it would let the light "paint" on the film as it gets rewinded back to cassette? That is my interpretation of the idea, but I could be wrong. That's what I would say as well and advancing the film would have the same effect, not only rewinding it. Juergen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBullCZ Posted February 11, 2011 Author Share #15 Posted February 11, 2011 I did the test against the light, with back trap door open at 1/125. To me it look like regular "blip", no irregularities. The camera is an Ebay purchase from Belgium. Although it come with complete box, including the blank Leica Warranty card and the dealer registration card, there is no invoice or date or purchase indicated anywhere. So I guess it does not qualify for warranty service. Remove the lens, and open the back trapdoor and look at (through) the shutter as you fire of frames you should not be able to detect any strange features, there should be no hesitation of the blinds, try 1/125.. Use a cheap C41 color negative.the color allows an identification of which direction the light was coming from Please scan the whole film 35mm width as a transparency we want to see the sprocket holes not the pictures, as well as a normal picture from the 24x36 frame as a normal positive. Did you buy the camera with a warranty? Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbretteville Posted February 11, 2011 Share #16 Posted February 11, 2011 Email Leica Customer Service and ask their opinion. Include the camera's serial number and the images you posted here. Carl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted February 11, 2011 Share #17 Posted February 11, 2011 So I guess it does not qualify for warranty service. You are probably right but the MP did come with a 5 year warranty at one time and Leica will usually honour the basic international warranty even if ownership has been transferred. Definitely worth a try. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted February 11, 2011 Share #18 Posted February 11, 2011 If you bought it off eBay, and the problem occurs in every roll, contact the seller and tell them you want to return the camera as faulty. There's the possibility they won't be interested, but it's worth a try. Even if you decide to keep the camera it seems obvious that it needs to be sent back to Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBullCZ Posted February 11, 2011 Author Share #19 Posted February 11, 2011 First of all, I want to thank to everybody who contributed with their time, opinion, or suggestion. I very much appreciate your effort and help! So, new roll of film came out flawless again! All frames are exposed properly without even a hint of the light line or "flare". With the weekend ahead, I plan to expose few rolls of film and familiarize with the camera bit more. Lets see if that phenomenon show up again or not. I any case, I will contact Leica customer service to find more about my camera history (if it will be known to them) and about the procedure if I will need to send them the camera for check in the future. Once again thank you all and enjoy the weekend! Pavel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juergen Posted February 11, 2011 Share #20 Posted February 11, 2011 Good to hear Pawel. Good luck. Juergen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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