d2mini Posted January 21, 2011 Share #1 Posted January 21, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I was wondering if anyone who has extensive experience with both softwares could shed some light on something for me. As a current user of Lightroom 3, is there any major shortcomings of C1P6 that you feel I would miss? Either workflow, tools or features? I've been looking at the various videos on their website and like what I see, especially in regards to the interface which I had problems with in early versions. But then i found one website review that showed some serious shortcomings with "fill light" in C1P6, which I use quiet often in LR3. You can never tell though whether these random people really know what they are doing. I will download the free trial but would like to hear from anyone who has put it through it's paces, especially if you've been working with previous versions and really know your way around the software. Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 Hi d2mini, Take a look here Lightroom 3 and Capture One Pro 6. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
UliWer Posted January 21, 2011 Share #2 Posted January 21, 2011 I started with C1 v. 3.7 when I got the M8 in late 2007. At first I had big problems with it and since it had no tool for printing I added LR. I often converted the dng in C1 and went on in LR with the TIFF. Now it's the other way round: LR 3 gives me problems with dates for pictures, and I didn't find a way to deal with them. C1 Pro now offers a tool for printing, which I prefer to LR - notwithstanding that other members in this forums say that C1 is much worse for printing. I confess that I didn't use the tool for "fill light" in one of the two programms. I'll try if I see much differences between them. Both programms have their pros and cons. With every new version there are some new pros but cons as well for each. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted January 22, 2011 Share #3 Posted January 22, 2011 If you not already a C1 Pro users the cost of it is very close to what full Photoshop costs. As I don't thin they give much of a break upgrading from the LE (Light edition) version of C1 to the pro version. C1 is really just a raw processor, AFAIK. Photoshop is a full blown image editing and printing program. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
archi4 Posted January 22, 2011 Share #4 Posted January 22, 2011 As a RAW (DNG) developer I much prefer Capture One 6 especially for skin tones. I have used it since version 3.x. The shadows slider does enough fill light for me and in the lens menu you can go even further and even get an HDR from a single exposure. However, I import into LR3 because it gives many possibilities for organizing, searching etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted January 22, 2011 Share #5 Posted January 22, 2011 ......Now it's the other way round: LR 3 gives me problems with dates for pictures, and I didn't find a way to deal with them. ...... Can you clarify what was your problem with date? LR merely reads the metadata from your files, so if the clock and date is set accurately in camera, there should be no problem with LR interpreting dates. I use the date filter a lot in LR and find it useful and accurate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
d2mini Posted January 22, 2011 Author Share #6 Posted January 22, 2011 As a RAW (DNG) developer I much prefer Capture One 6 especially for skin tones.I have used it since version 3.x. The shadows slider does enough fill light for me and in the lens menu you can go even further and even get an HDR from a single exposure. However, I import into LR3 because it gives many possibilities for organizing, searching etc. Hi, thank you for the reply. Would you mind being more specific about the organazing and searching options that LR has that C1 does not? That's what I'm looking for... those little things you won't know until you're deep in it. Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted January 22, 2011 Share #7 Posted January 22, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi, thank you for the reply.Would you mind being more specific about the organazing and searching options that LR has that C1 does not? That's what I'm looking for... those little things you won't know until you're deep in it. Thanks! In LR you import your images to a catalog. In that catalog you can apply filters for lens, serial number/s, shutter speed/s, aperture/s, date images were taken and so on to display only those images. You can also apply keywords and ratings to images and then filter by those. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
d2mini Posted January 22, 2011 Author Share #8 Posted January 22, 2011 In LR you import your images to a catalog. In that catalog you can apply filters for lens, serial number/s, shutter speed/s, aperture/s, date images were taken and so on to display only those images. You can also apply keywords and ratings to images and then filter by those. Like this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted January 22, 2011 Share #9 Posted January 22, 2011 Like this? Don't know. Didn't even bother looking at your link to Utube. Don't care. Didn't care for C1 at all. No need for me to even think about it as I have LR, PS CS2-3-4-5 with Bridge. Used the free version that came with the M8 and never got on with it. Left it behind and never looked back. To each their own. Just giving the OP my opinion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
d2mini Posted January 22, 2011 Author Share #10 Posted January 22, 2011 Don't know. Didn't even bother looking at your link to Utube. Don't care. Didn't care for C1 at all. No need for me to even think about it as I have LR, PS CS2-3-4-5 with Bridge. Used the free version that came with the M8 and never got on with it. Left it behind and never looked back. To each their own. Just giving the OP my opinion Wow, thanks for your input. First of all, I am the OP. Second of all I asked for people who actually had experience with the latest version. I already explained I used it way back in the early versions. Third, when you brought up the search function I had no idea what C1 was able to do in that respect so I went to their tutorial page and found that video and it seemed to cover what you were talking about, hence my reason for posting it. For confirmation. So why the snide remark and elitist attitude? Maybe you shouldn't be posting when you obviously can't contribute anything positive or relevant, let alone posting FALSE information. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted January 22, 2011 Share #11 Posted January 22, 2011 Sorry not having a great day. Didn't realize you were the OP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
archi4 Posted January 22, 2011 Share #12 Posted January 22, 2011 d2mini, thanks for pointing me to this I had seen this before, but it didn't really register! I see in the dropdown menu that search by metadata must be possible, so I have some exploring to do. maurice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke_Miller Posted January 22, 2011 Share #13 Posted January 22, 2011 I was wondering if anyone who has extensive experience with both softwares could shed some light on something for me. As a current user of Lightroom 3, is there any major shortcomings of C1P6 that you feel I would miss? Either workflow, tools or features? I am far from an expert, but I'll take a stab at it. It is hard to say which features that Lightroom has that you might miss in C1P6 without understanding how you use lightroom. If you primarily just use Lightroom's Develop Module then you will find they are similar in function (but not in the interface with the user). One exception being Lightroom's selective editing tools, which are more complete than C1P6's initial implementation. I use the gradient tool a lot and C1P6 currently has no equivalent. I prefer the C1P6 Levels and Curves tools over Lightroom's approach. Even though both do non-destructive editing they do it differently. Lightroom maintains all editing data in the catalog, while C1P6 writes it to sub-folders with the original image files, sort of like how Lightroom does if you enable the XMP file option. C1P6 search and filter function is perhaps more powerful than Lightroom's, but as near as I can determine it can only be used on a specific folder or album (an album is like a Lightroom collection). You can create an album that has all your images in it, like the Lightroom catalog, but you have to manually create (and maintain) it. Phase One recently acquired the Expressions Media aplication to use as a digital assets manager (DAM). There is some limited integration with C1P6, but it is very much a work in progress. If you use Lightroom as a DAM you will want to continue to use it IMO for images you process in C1P6. The web and slideshow modules in Lightroom are more fully featured, but C1P6 supports soft proofing in the print module while Lightroom does not. M8 and M9 shooters appreciate the moire tool in C1P6, which Lightroom lacks. I prefer the C1P6 manual lens correction tool, but the automatic function appears to be limited to lenses used on medium format systems. The C1P6 trial version is a great way to find out if it fills a need in your workflow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
d2mini Posted January 22, 2011 Author Share #14 Posted January 22, 2011 Thank you, Luke. I will look into those items. Much appreciated. One thing I just noticed is that since I told C1 to store all imported files in the same folder on my hard drive that I currently use for Lightroom (I organize images by year, with a new folder for each shoot inside that year), it automatically shows all those lightroom folders in the Library. So I can already go into any of my old jobs and rework things in C1 without re-importing everything. The only problem i don't know where it's storing my adjustment info, since C1 normally makes a file for that in each session folder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikelM10 Posted January 23, 2011 Share #15 Posted January 23, 2011 I was wondering if anyone who has extensive experience with both softwares could shed some light on something for me. As a current user of Lightroom 3, is there any major shortcomings of C1P6 that you feel I would miss? Either workflow, tools or features? I've been looking at the various videos on their website and like what I see, especially in regards to the interface which I had problems with in early versions. But then i found one website review that showed some serious shortcomings with "fill light" in C1P6, which I use quiet often in LR3. You can never tell though whether these random people really know what they are doing. I will download the free trial but would like to hear from anyone who has put it through it's paces, especially if you've been working with previous versions and really know your way around the software. Thanks! Hi there. I've just 'put it through its paces', as you asked, in a three way comparison with Lightroom and Silver Efex Pro. My tests were focused on black and white conversion but you might still find the exercise a useful read. You can find the final part, which compares Lightroom 3 with Capture One Pro 6 at:- Review of Capture One Pro 6 vs Lightroom 3 for Black and White Photos Good luck Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke_Miller Posted January 23, 2011 Share #16 Posted January 23, 2011 The only problem i don't know where it's storing my adjustment info, since C1 normally makes a file for that in each session folder. If you look in one of the folders containing images that you processed using C1 you will find a folder called CaptureOne. That is where the adjustments are kept. If you back up the image folder the adjustments are backed up along with the images. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
d2mini Posted January 23, 2011 Author Share #17 Posted January 23, 2011 If you look in one of the folders containing images that you processed using C1 you will find a folder called CaptureOne. That is where the adjustments are kept. If you back up the image folder the adjustments are backed up along with the images. Oh ok, i see it now that I looked on my actual hard drive. I was expecting to see something show up in the library within C1. Thank you once again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke_Miller Posted January 24, 2011 Share #18 Posted January 24, 2011 But then i found one website review that showed some serious shortcomings with "fill light" in C1P6, which I use quiet often in LR3. You can never tell though whether these random people really know what they are doing. While the Shadow (or fill light) tool in C1 is not as effective as its counterpart in Lightroom the C1 LCC tool more than makes up for it. Using LCC for that purpose is demonstrated at this link. Capture Integration - Your Phase One, Leaf, Leica Canon, Apple, Eizo, Cambo, LaCie Dealer Pretty cool! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
d2mini Posted January 25, 2011 Author Share #19 Posted January 25, 2011 Awesome! Tried it out and it works pretty well. Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted January 25, 2011 Share #20 Posted January 25, 2011 used the lcc tool just recently to great effect for some snow scenes in nyc's central park. but i also found, and there had been some questions regarding this elsewhere, that if you take a dng file originally created in lr3 you cannot do this work on the dng file in c1. another reason to go from m9 directly into c1 and then stay in c1 all the way to tiff to photoshop for printing (or not). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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