D700 and X1

[Mr_Jones]

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I've got to agree, it is nit picking. The Leica looks so much better than the GF1 anyway, and it costs more so it must be better.

[harryliem]

You guys are nit-picking... they are all good cameras. Why do you feel the need to endlessly have the X1 come out on top in camera tests? I know it's a flawed camera, but I like it and don't need to justify using it to anyone. Are you guys into camera battles or photography?

 

I agree sometime I felt this forum is bias to my understanding, such as this title D700 and X1, and come out some other brands and cameras type. I am totally lost...

[ravinj]

I agree sometime I felt this forum is bias to my understanding, such as this title D700 and X1, and come out some other brands and cameras type. I am totally lost...

 

if you are lost, just ask for help.

[h00ligan]

I don't think nit picking is an issue - we are in the gear part of this forum, not the photo section. Just my $.02

 

I've tried to be very objective in my comparisons.. there are things I love, and things that are a major let down.

[ravinj]

I don't think nit picking is an issue - we are in the gear part of this forum, not the photo section. Just my $.02

 

I've tried to be very objective in my comparisons.. there are things I love, and things that are a major let down.

 

Agree. Now if someone has a problem or is feeling lost, they don't need to participate in the thread. I don't participate in threads that talk about hand grips and viewfinders for X1 as I have no interest in them.

 

A lot of us do have an interest in comparing camera gear that we own (including X1) and threads like these are meant for them. It doesn't matter if you are comparing D700 with the X1 or M9 with the X1 or Nex-5 with the X1. I find Edward's observations regarding GF1 versus X1 very interesting and valuable.

 

Those who are just interested in discussing photography can use the photo section meant for this purpose.

[phancj]

Agree. Now if someone has a problem or is feeling lost, they don't need to participate in the thread. I don't participate in threads that talk about hand grips and viewfinders for X1 as I have no interest in them.

 

A lot of us do have an interest in comparing camera gear that we own (including X1) and threads like these are meant for them. It doesn't matter if you are comparing D700 with the X1 or M9 with the X1 or Nex-5 with the X1. I find Edward's observations regarding GF1 versus X1 very interesting and valuable.

 

Those who are just interested in discussing photography can use the photo section meant for this purpose.

 

Yup, comparisons are fun, especially if it ends in a slugfest:p

 

I am starting my own soon, I think I will get the Nokia N8 and compare it to some P&S, maybe dlux4 for a start. No way to compare to the X1 for sure, but I think that phone takes better pictures than some if not many P&Ss.

[jsrockit]

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Ok, let me rephrase this... I have no problem with comparisons. I have an issue with X1 owners having to have the X1 come out on top of every battle and with the people who come here only to prove the X1 is a lame camera. All of the cameras that are being compared are great cameras in some form or another. The rest is just your personal preference.

[Clemgill]

X1's flaws and weaknesses .... force you to think twice before shooting.

Quite refreshing isnt'it ?...

[h00ligan]

Sure, unless you have another camera which outperforms it in which case it sits on a shelf unless absolutely necessary

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for some image making think twice you end nothing.

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Huh?

[lct]

X1 looks oversharpened compared to D700 and X1/GF1 are not focused the same way apparently.

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[h00ligan]

The focal difference would be dof differences given sensor sizes. Neither are center point focus.

[lct]

If you focussed on the lens cleaner you've got focus problems with both cameras.

[h00ligan]

It wasn't. As I stated, both were focused out of frame, and diferent fov. As I said this was informal. I've done similar tests outside.

 

That said I've had some issues with camera shake and the x1. I conducted a test with only the x1 yesterday at a shutter speed that should have made it possible to throw the x1 and get a sharp image.. and it turned out better than I expected - so I need to examine what I am doing wrong. This was straight into lightroom, default sharpening.. it was not shot to be art or under ideal circumstances.. it was a test. Gear stuff.

 

The result of that informal test is posted below. The full size is obviously resized, exported from lr as jpg.. the crops are center focus point, then off center. Again it was a lot better than I have been experiencing, even on tripods in some instances - so I am going to wait and post back when I see another issue..maybe then other wiser members can explain what's going on. I still don't think the x1 beats, or even really challenges, a 5dmk2 w/L glass for sharpness - I don't think it even matches the 7d.. but, it was a better result than I thought. This was iso 200 ~f5.6 ~1/1250

 

Full

 

Center crop

 

Off center crop

[barjohn]

It seems soft and blurry for f5.6 at 1/250

[h00ligan]

1/1250!

 

I don't know if this is soft and blurry for this camera, but it seems it..however this was one of the sharpest I've taken with it. The x1 also seems to have a fair problem with ca, not really evident in thins shot.

 

This is why I have a hard time swallowing it when people say it bests a full frame.

 

However it is consistent, it seems, with other forums' member's results. If anyone here wants to post up their shots so I could compare, that would be appreciated. Something in good light similar to what I posted. Maybe it's my export workflow, but it looks just about the same within light room as cropped raw. I can of course post the raw file should anyone want to look.

 

Maybe I'll take it to the m9 workshop and see if the leica reps can offer an opinion.

[lct]

Been developing DNG files out of the X1 in december 2009 and never seen softness in the images, provided sharpening is applied of course.

Here with Capture One v4 and Fred Miranda's Nikon CS Pro.

Lightroom with Low, Medium Low or Default sharpening setting should do it according to this review but i have no experience of it:

Leica X1 - camera review - Sensor characteristics - Lenstip.com

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[barjohn]

There is no EXIF data for these images so we can't tell whether they are comparable or not.

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[phancj]

1/1250!

 

I don't know if this is soft and blurry for this camera, but it seems it..however this was one of the sharpest I've taken with it. The x1 also seems to have a fair problem with ca, not really evident in thins shot.

 

This is why I have a hard time swallowing it when people say it bests a full frame.

 

However it is consistent, it seems, with other forums' member's results. If anyone here wants to post up their shots so I could compare, that would be appreciated. Something in good light similar to what I posted. Maybe it's my export workflow, but it looks just about the same within light room as cropped raw. I can of course post the raw file should anyone want to look.

 

Maybe I'll take it to the m9 workshop and see if the leica reps can offer an opinion.

 

Send your X1 in for a check, mine is "too sharp" often so much so that I set the sharpening to Medium low for jpegs.

 

The X1 is very sharp, better than my D300 with 2.8 lenses, color and AWB also spot on almost always. But CA is an issue, so in some cases some PP is necessary to remove. On the other hand, the D300 seems almost magical in removal of CA in camera.

 

These days I use the X1 for most shots, but use f1.4s on my Nikon for detailed work, apart from the 60mm and 105mm macro lenses. I have the new nikkor 85mm f/1.4G and it is totally in its own class, superb bokeh dreamy(lux-like) and crazy sharpness...and it should be coz it costs just a little less than the whole X1...

 

But sharpness is NOT an issue for the X1 Edward.