cheewai_m6 Posted October 27, 2010 Share #21 Posted October 27, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) shooting with film = making photos shooting digital = making images a photo has life and soul. an image is just something made to look good on a computer screen. when printed out, doesn't have any life to it. like hdr or heavily photoshopped/edited images. doesn't particularly even mean anything when printed out on 6x4 or 7.5x5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hamey Posted October 27, 2010 Share #22 Posted October 27, 2010 If you are using an M on a neck strap, flip it upside down and you can use both hands to load the film. I find it quicker than with a camera with a hinged back. I have tried that Steve, perhaps having carpal tunnel in my right hand doesn't help either. Hey tobey, I am with Bill on this one, there are heaps of people like me who still prefer film especially slides, I love my photography, and knowing that I am going to get something substantial in my hand when I pick up my slides, In my personal opinion, viewing an electronic image on your computer is not the same. I normally shoot both Digital and film but my Digital images don't excite me like a wonderful image on a slide, we are all different, each to his own. I remember some years ago I saw this picture of a woman, LOVELY I THOUGHT. Then I finally met her in real life, loved her smile her feminism it was love at first sight. YES I MARRIED HER, AND STILL MARRIED TO HER, PLUS WE HAVE TWO GROWN UP CHILDREN. So the moral of the story is,............ some like to view, smell, and touch the real thing.......Lol. Cheers Ken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted October 27, 2010 Share #23 Posted October 27, 2010 shooting with film = making photosshooting digital = making images a photo has life and soul. an image is just something made to look good on a computer screen. when printed out, doesn't have any life to it. like hdr or heavily photoshopped/edited images. doesn't particularly even mean anything when printed out on 6x4 or 7.5x5 Total and absolute bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alun Posted October 27, 2010 Share #24 Posted October 27, 2010 Total and absolute bollocks. Steve, Come on, don't hold back -- tell us what you really think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick De Marco Posted October 27, 2010 Share #25 Posted October 27, 2010 Another vote for M6 I got back into film (which I know shoot 90% despite having some nice digital cameras) a few years ago through the Voigtlander Bessa R2 When I could afford it I bought a used Leica M6 Since then I have bought, and sold, many cameras (including the M8). The one camera that I still keep using is the M6. It's strong, simple, has the best range of framelines, simple but effective uncluttered metering, but shoots without the battery and meter if necessary, and it is built like a tank. It's one camera I would never sell. I love rangefinders for 35mm, and if you want AE exposure, I would suggest you pick up a Voigtlander Bessa or Zeiss Ikon to compliment, rather than instead of, your M6. You could probably buy a Bessa R3A and a used M6 for the price of a used M7. You would then have a very good M bayonet camera (for focal lengths of 40mm and up), with a 1:1 finder, good meter, nice and light, and an M6 classic. I have the R3M as I don't need AE, and I worry about battery death leading to the camera stalling. The viewfinder is great and it is a lovely camera, but although I now have a couple of nice 40mm to go on it, I use it less as 35m is my favourite focal length and after that I prefer to go wider. Even if the Bessa didn't last more than a couple of years (the M6 should last a life time) you can get good use out of it. If you are more wide angle guy (like me) get the Bessa R4, again in either automatic or manual metering mode. It has a viewfinder built for 21, 25, 28 and 35mm lenses. It's the only rangefinder I know of that you can put a 21mm lens on and use the camera finder, rather than a external finder, to frame as well as focus. Given I use 21 a lot, and 28 (the R4 has separate uncluttered framelines for 28) and I'm thinking of getting the Zeiss 25mm, I just picked up a used R4A for £300, I'm eagerly waiting for it in the post... Finally, again if you want automatic metering, consider the Zeiss Ikon ZM. Many reviewers, including Leica fanatics, say it is as good as the M7, although slightly different. For example many say it has the clearest and brightest viewfinder or any rangefinder, beating the M7, but the build quality is not quite as good as the M7 (hence the Zeiss is lighter) but far superior to the Voigtlander Bessas. The meter is supposed to be very good in AE mode. I have wanted one for a long time, more than I have wanted an M7, and finally bought one new, from outside UK, for half the price I would expect to pay for a good, used M7, and less than half the price of a new M7. So plenty of options, and M7 lovers (who have the advantage over me of using the camera!) may disagree, but I would say if you only get one camera get the M6. The M6 is the nearest thing to perfection. After that, depending what you want, there are less expensive, non-Leica alternatives that will take M lenses which either compete with the M7 in some respects, or do particular things the M7 doesn't which may be of interest to you. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhabedi Posted October 27, 2010 Share #26 Posted October 27, 2010 The M6 is the nearest thing to perfection. It's interesting that nobody mentioned the MP so far... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted October 27, 2010 Share #27 Posted October 27, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Steve, Come on, don't hold back -- tell us what you really think. Sorry, but posts like that really annoy me, try telling Salgado that he's no longer taking photographs. Not only that, it didn't address the op's question. Neither does this. I apologise for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanyasi Posted October 27, 2010 Author Share #28 Posted October 27, 2010 Thanks to all who responded. I got a lot of useful information. I see the merits of the M7, but as someone who is just starting out with film and who shoots manually no matter what camera I use, I will probably go with an M6 based on economics. If I take to film, I can always upgrade, but an M6 seems to be a good entry point both on price and quality terms. As for the gentleman who thinks going to film is "dumb" given digital technology, I sometimes take your point of view in my own internal deliberations, but I suspect there is educational value in returning to the old school. To the point, my sense is that it will impact my digital work for the better. Best Jack Siegel October 27, 2010 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted October 27, 2010 Share #29 Posted October 27, 2010 Tobey says it's dumb to use film. Cheewai says digital isn't photography. There's only one way to resolve this...........................FIGHT!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted October 27, 2010 Share #30 Posted October 27, 2010 . Old film Leicas are made beautifully, but are old enough to have age related maintenance issues ( read expensive) that need repair. I have spent lots of money on mine. Hi Tobey Your degree must be in sopistry? A M2 or M4-2 is so cheap you can throw them away, even a rfdr rebuild at CRR Luton is cheaper then any paid service at Solms for M8 or M9? Typical M2 (i..e. M1-M7) shutters last 25 years, if looked after, i.e. not burnt in sun or fed shards of film. My M2 tolerate heavy rain... How can you say such strange things, or are you really unaware? Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted October 27, 2010 Share #31 Posted October 27, 2010 So, Jack Siegel, an M6 it is, then. Enjoy! Regarding the rest... shooting with film = making photosshooting digital = making images a photo has life and soul. an image is just something made to look good on a computer screen [...] Me thinks your statement is made rather impotent by being transmitted through a digital medium. I printed your comment and it did not look as formidable as it could have, had it been engraved in stone. From the USA PTA Gazette, 1941: "Students today depend upon these expensive fountain pens. They can no longer write with a straight pen and nib. We parents must not allow them to wallow in such luxury to the detriment of learniing how to cope in the real world which is not so extravagant." From Federal Teachers USA, 1950 "Ball point pens will be the ruin of education in our country. Students use these devices and throw them away. The American value of thrift and frugality are being discarded. Businesses and banks will never allow such expensive luxuries." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted October 27, 2010 Share #32 Posted October 27, 2010 Old film Leicas are made beautifully, but are old enough to have age related maintenance issues ( read expensive) that need repair. I have spent lots of money on mine. I won't comment further on the bollocks statement re. film but as to cost of 'running' a classic Leica, I have a lllf bought in 1982 which I use regularly but have not serviced in that time and it's still running fine. It was given a once over by a Leica technician at an open day in Hove Camera's just after I bought it and he remarked at how accurate the shutter speeds were. I also have an M2 which was serviced when I bought it a few years ago, and is also faultless. So maybe you are just unlucky, or not very careful with your cameras? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted October 27, 2010 Share #33 Posted October 27, 2010 Hi James My IIIc and M2 were serviced last before '75... Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted October 27, 2010 Share #34 Posted October 27, 2010 shooting with film = making photosshooting digital = making images a photo has life and soul. an image is just something made to look good on a computer screen. when printed out, doesn't have any life to it. like hdr or heavily photoshopped/edited images. doesn't particularly even mean anything when printed out on 6x4 or 7.5x5 200% true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted October 27, 2010 Share #35 Posted October 27, 2010 If you want grain, buy photoshop. You can make sharp or soft grain, monochrome or colored, roll off the grain in highlights and shadow using the blend if option, and change the curve shape from straight line like T Max to a curve like triX and every thing in between. you make me laugh I assume m9 is dangerous when it makes people blind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheewai_m6 Posted October 28, 2010 Share #36 Posted October 28, 2010 Total and absolute bollocks. it's not total, and it's not absolute bollocks. it's true in a lot of instances. Sorry, but posts like that really annoy me, try telling Salgado that he's no longer taking photographs. Not only that, it didn't address the op's question. Neither does this. I apologise for that. well i guess if you get annoyed at people who have different opinions to you, you'll find yourself annoyed very often. Tobey says it's dumb to use film. Cheewai says digital isn't photography. There's only one way to resolve this...........................FIGHT!!! if i was stunsworth, i'd chuck a massive tanty about how fighting solves nothing, but i realise you are joking. maybe i didn't make my point clear, i may have made it a bit too black and white and people who are emotionally delicate may get annoyed at my lack of explanation. i don't think digital photography isn't photography. i mean sometimes, the things people do to digital photos makes it about an image and not a photograph. so stunsworth mate, take a 5 minute time out. calm down a bit and remember 'you're not fully dress until you wear a smile'. so turn that frown, upside down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted October 28, 2010 Share #37 Posted October 28, 2010 Steve, Come on, don't hold back -- tell us what you really think. Hi Steve I'm with alun you are being too shy, but I'll still buy a pint next time I see you... Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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