Should I take the M9 jump!

[Clive Murray-White]

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Mike D700, No I don't think you understand you can't stay with a Nikon DSLR, a D700 that's as bad as a Bessa, well worse really because it's not a range-a-finder, you may as well shoot with a micro 4/3s. No no no it has to be M8 (like me if you are nervous about $s) of M9 to do it properly. With an eBay M8 you can alway pretend that you bought it new and you have an M9 on order or better still being serviced.

 

Part 3 of the video will introduce Medium format range-a-finders....................v M9

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[MikeD700]

@Clive:

 

LoL! as much as I like your sculptures, when it comes to cameras you're still in the Stone Age...

 

Range-a-finders (as is not to be discussed) are a thing of the past.

 

Have you ever tried looking through the lens in question before actually taking the shot with it, instead of squinting through a piece of yellowed-up ánd fogged-up glass, while mentally trying to accomodate for parallax, inaccurate framelines (whichever one you choose from the random three available), at the same time trying to decide which double image (not the one your forever squinting eye gives you) to focus with on a rapidly moving, nay disappearing subject?

 

Try an slr.

[MikeD700]

P.s.: I had an E-P2 with an 1.7/20 for a few months this summer. Excellent little camera. Much better than the Chuck Yeager one.

[Clive Murray-White]

Have you ever tried looking through the lens in question before actually taking the shot with it, instead of squinting through a piece of yellowed-up ánd fogged-up glass, while mentally trying to accomodate for parallax, inaccurate framelines (whichever one you choose from the random three available), at the same time trying to decide which double image (not the one your forever squinting eye gives you) to focus with on a rapidly moving, nay disappearing subject?

 

Try an slr.

 

Mike: I still have one DSLR, I think I kept it for nostaglic reasons, you know, reminds me of my first Spotmatic and the Contax, Rollei and Nikons that followed.:-)

 

In truth you are right - one camera system that can do everything pretty well - in truth I kept the E-3 to do stuff that the M couldn't go close to, like telephoto shots of our much loved ride on racing lawnmower!

 

I don't sneer, except in jest, at any type of camera system anymore - for many applications the little Panasonic LX3 P&S out-performs M8 and E-3, through, size, ease of use and clever auto settings, it made me quite sad when I saw what it could do.

 

The videos have me very worried about what's cool in Leica land, being a new owner, you just don't know if keeping the Artisan and Artist leather strap that came with it lacks cred, there ought to be a newbies guide to M etiquette.

[MikeD700]

+1!

[JBA]

Try an slr.

 

"If you buy an SLR, get a Nikon F or F2 with prism finder."

 

"What about an F3?"

 

"The F3 takes batteries. It is not acceptable unless you also have an F or F2 with prism finder as backup."

 

Etc. . .

[MikeD700]

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@JBA: Excellent! I should never have sold my F body. Exposure meters are not acceptable. Guesswork is where the real photographer shines. HBC never used an exposure meter.

 

 

 

Anyway, it appears Richard is doing a Babsky on us...

[RichardM8]

Anyway, it appears Richard is doing a Babsky on us...

 

Not doing anything. Maybe that's the issue.

 

I am in a temporary silence with my dealer. Availability of the both the body and lens are still a big issue here. We'll pickup our negotiations when he has a clear picture on what he can deliver and when. Then there's only the 'right-price-nut' to crack...

[MikeD700]

Of course this will turn into a Mexican stand-off. Who will blink first? Real man's stuff

[pimver]

Not doing anything. Maybe that's the issue.

 

I am in a temporary silence with my dealer. Availability of the both the body and lens are still a big issue here. We'll pickup our negotiations when he has a clear picture on what he can deliver and when. Then there's only the 'right-price-nut' to crack...

 

I'll pick mine up tomorrow fro our mutual friend

[Keith (M)]

Getting the thread back on track , I made the jump on Tuesday and bought a black M9. A long-held ambition finally fulfilled.

 

I have done a lot of research into the M9 and lenses, reading this forum and websites such as Steve Huff's and LLoyd Chamber's DIGLloyd DAP as well as magazine reviews in the RPS Journal and Black&White Magazine. It is a while since I used a RF but two hours of trying the shop's demo model with a variety of lenses convinced me that I could make the change from auto-almost-everything (I use my 5D MkII on AV) and the results, the feeling, lack of weight and diminutive size all came together to convince me to take the plunge.

 

Unfortunately the weather since then has kept me indoors - very frustrating In desperation this morning I played about with DoF and the image below is with the Zeiss Planar T* f2 50mm @ f2. I also bought the Biogon T* 35mm f2. (Standing by to be flamed for having the gall to buy an M9 body and two Zeiss lenses). Comments welcomed.

 

I also tried the Elmarit 28mm f2.8 at the shop but in the end decided to wait until funds permit a Summicron 28mm f2.

 

 

Tea Anyone?

[Rick]

Bang! Consider this horse dead.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.....please?

[ThorkilB]

Awfull nice and cosy shot Keith! (...and congratulations!)

(no....its not dead Rich....so sorry..)

Thorkil

[pimver]

took the lunge today as well, picked up a black M9 with a 50mm/F2 Summicron.

Now I am waiting for the rain to stop to take my new camera out :-)

[MikeD700]

Congrats!

 

It's not water-/weatherproof then? The light in rainy circumstances (high ISO required) can be lovely and can provide beautifully moody shots.

 

Just use a lens hood and point the camera down whenever not actually shooting. My D700 (and FM2, ha ha) doesn't mind a bit of rain.

[jaapv]

Nor does the M8/9... And why should one require high ISO during rain??

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[Rick]

Awfull nice and cosy shot Keith! (...and congratulations!)

(no....its not dead Rich....so sorry..)

Thorkil

 

So sorry, yourself. Keith took a picture in his kitchen of of a tea pot!!! And, he copyrighted it??? Then, you told him it was an "awfully nice and cosy shot!!!" Are you serious? I realize it was his 3rd post (welcome Keith ) but, encourage him to get out and take a picture. The rain won't kill the M9. It might even make for an interesting picture.

 

Please stop. You guys are killing me. Nice and cosy? Please stop.

[Clive Murray-White]

Is this miserable enough for you? Burnt forrest and the inevitable M8/9 newbies fixation with shallow DoF

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[Clive Murray-White]

it must have been too heavy first time

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[wlaidlaw]

The shallow DOF look risks becoming something only for older photographers. My daughter was looking yesterday, at some of her sister's wedding photos, trying to get some ideas for her own wedding later this month. The photos were taken by a variety of professional photographers (there were lots of them at the wedding, as the father-in-law, Robert Creamer, is one of the US's top art photographers). The commonest camera was a 5D Mk2, usually with a fast prime lens. My daughter complained that a lot of the photos looked as if the people in the foreground were photoshopped on, in front of a fuzzy background. She said, "if I can manage to get both the people sharp and the background, why can't these so called professionals?" I explained DOF to her and she commented "I understand how it works but why would anyone want an out of focus photograph?" It's obviously a generation thing. Young folks are used to seeing photos from phones and small sensor P&S cameras, with almost limitless DOF.

 

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