New Black X1 at Photokina?

[nhabedi]

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Let's how the IQ between the two compares.

 

Well, I was responding to your claim, that technically there was no way to do it. Now you're shifting subjects...

 

If Fujis' track record is anything to go by...

 

What exactly do you mean by that?

 

As has been mentioned elsewhere already, Fujifilm has had a pretty good track record so far. Ask for example the Hasselblad photographers using Fujifilm lenses. Not to mention that the X1 lens is also "only" a lens assembled somewhere in Asia to Leica specs and not exactly an M lens built in Solms.

[phancj]

Well, I was responding to your claim, that technically there was no way to do it. Now you're shifting subjects...

 

 

 

What exactly do you mean by that?

 

As has been mentioned elsewhere already, Fujifilm has had a pretty good track record so far. Ask for example the Hasselblad photographers using Fujifilm lenses. Not to mention that the X1 lens is also "only" a lens assembled somewhere in Asia to Leica specs and not exactly an M lens built in Solms.

 

I can see where this is going. Yes, Fuji has a good track record with medium format lenses and good old days of film. However, I think what Richard is trying to say is lately, their P&S & other cameras are not exactly getting a whole lot of market share. Here, I think they are probably there with Samsung and Casio, nowhere near Nikon, Canon or even Sony.

 

If they can roll out the X100 as good as they tout it to be, its a good thing for all of us.

 

However, frankly, I am not betting on it either.My two cents.

 

I do not give a hoot (like some others) where the X1 lens is made, as long as it performs admirably, and it indeed does. I do not see the need to speculate where it was made, no one knows. So your statement is pure speculation too.

 

I think you're a hardcore Fujiphile now, or at least behave like one defending a camera maker on a model that is not out yet. Thats absurd. At least the X1 is out and liked by many owners, and its IQ is undisputed.

[nhabedi]

I think you're a hardcore Fujiphile now

 

That's ridiculous. I've been shooting with Leicas for more than 16 years now, I still do, and I love them. That doesn't make me blind for innovations from other manufacturers, though.

 

Please refrain from personal attacks and remember that on the long X100 thread you've been the one who by far had the most postings. Just a few hours ago you announced to stop playing "devil's advocate" there and now you're here with the same agenda?

 

I just replied to RichardX1's claims and I stand by what I said.

[phancj]

That's ridiculous. I've been shooting with Leicas for more than 16 years now, I still do, and I love them. That doesn't make me blind for innovations from other manufacturers, though.

 

Please refrain from personal attacks and remember that on the long X100 thread you've been the one who by far had the most postings. Just a few hours ago you announced to stop playing "devil's advocate" there and now you're here with the same agenda?

 

I just replied to RichardX1's claims and I stand by what I said.

 

I am out of that thread for sure(you will not see another posting there from me) , this is another but am surprised that the same camera gets brought up in a thread about the black X1. And by your goodself too. So....

 

Anyway, the Fujiphile is not a personal attack, and am sorry if you feel that way. it's done in jest, just like how some use the word Leicaphile liberally.

 

Anyway, back to the statement you made about the X1 being made in asia. Mine says specifically "Made In Germany" in no uncertain terms. So Leica is a crooked company. They are liars. Actually, I am of the opinion (in the absence of any hard info) that the lens may be the only part made in Germany, whether in Solms or not. The rest of the camera probably japanese. No one knows for sure, going to forums like these or rumor sites aint helping either...so when you make a statement like you did in defense of a camera not out yet, I am entitled to think you Fujiphile, or Leicaphobe. I am surprised you really like Leica, coz you are willing to post something against its products with evidence not borne out of concrete facts.

 

Look at the title of the thread, please. Dont see Fuji there? So why are you bringing it up here? Maybe some truth in my assertion?

[nhabedi]

Look at the title of the thread, please. Dont see Fuji there? So why are you bringing it up here? Maybe some truth in my assertion?

 

Read what I replied to and you should be able to answer the question yourself.

[phancj]

Read what I replied to and you should be able to answer the question yourself.

 

And your statement of the X1 lens being made in Asia? Where is the concrete proof?

 

Are you going to post your thoughts on the black X1, or continue with your x100?

[nhabedi]

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And your statement of the X1 lens being made in Asia? Where is the concrete proof?

 

Common knowledge. Search the archives of this forum. We even had pictures of the complete lens unit here as it is shipped to Leica.

 

If you don't trust me, ask Leica. Or make a tour of the Solms factory and see if you can find the place were the X1 lenses are built.

 

continue to blabber

 

What was it you said about personal attacks again?

 

then we can do a encore of what happened in the x100 thread???

 

Nope. Sorry to disappoint you, but I've just decided not to answer any of your postings anymore.

[phancj]

Common knowledge. Search the archives of this forum. We even had pictures of the complete lens unit here as it is shipped to Leica.

 

If you don't trust me, ask Leica. Or make a tour of the Solms factory and see if you can find the place were the X1 lenses are built.

 

 

 

What was it you said about personal attacks again?

 

 

 

Nope. Sorry to disappoint you, but I've just decided not to answer any of your postings anymore.

 

What a statement, ask Leica, visit Solms,etc,etc. In the absence of concrete proof from your goodself (other than internet rumors), I stand by my label of you as a Leicaphobe, or at least an X1Phobe, and from your support of X100 without the physical product, a Fujiphile or at least a X100phile.

 

 

Great! Hopefully we wont hear about your X100 in any non-related threads. Jeez!

[stephen.w]

Mine says specifically "Made In Germany" in no uncertain terms. So Leica is a crooked company. They are liars.

Actually, if you read the script on the back of the camera carefully, it merely says "Leica Camera Germany". Doubtless there is some assembly and final checks being performed at Solms, but the components, including the lens, are almost certainly made elsewhere.

[phancj]

Actually, if you read the script on the back of the camera carefully, it merely says "Leica Camera Germany". Doubtless there is some assembly and final checks being performed at Solms, but the components, including the lens, are almost certainly made elsewhere.

 

You do not know that for sure, just internet rumors. For what its worth, parts of the M is not made in Germany either.

 

Do you own or have used an X1? The bottom label specifically states "Made in Germany". Without the quotation marks.

 

Leica company is run by liars. or I am a liar.

 

Get your facts right.

 

Frankly, like I said I dont give a hoot where it is made, as long as it delivers.

 

It is just some posters that talk like:

 

As has been mentioned elsewhere already, Fujifilm has had a pretty good track record so far. Ask for example the Hasselblad photographers using Fujifilm lenses. Not to mention that the X1 lens is also "only" a lens assembled somewhere in Asia to Leica specs and not exactly an M lens built in Solms.

 

Just because a company makes some great products does not mean they do not end up with some duds. The reverse also true. So the above statement is irrelevant and the statement on the X1 origin unnecessary. The X1 has good IQ, no matter its origin.

 

I see the above as needless bashing of Leica/X1 and unnecessary glorifying of an as yet non-existent camera. Mind you, in a thread about the black X1?

 

You are entitled to think otherwise.

 

I repeat, I see many Leicaphobes here, and ever since photokina, Fujiphiles everywhere.

 

Haha.

[stephen.w]

You do not know that for sure, just internet rumors. For what its worth, parts of the M is not made in Germany either.

 

Do you own or have used an X1? The bottom label specifically states "Made in Germany". Without the quotation marks.

 

Leica company is run by liars. or I am a liar.

 

Get your facts right.

 

Apologies. Yes, I do own an X1 and have had it since February. I just screwed off the hand grip and saw the "made in Germany" sticker on the battery door.

 

There are actually many things that I love about the camera, but there are probably more things that I don't, and am on the brink of putting it up for sale.

 

By the way, take it easy. There is a needless agression running through many of your posts. Remember it's only camera gear that we're only discussing.

[earleygallery]

Parts of the X1 are made elsewhere (Asia but we don't know if it's Japan, Taiwan or China) and shipped to Germany for final assembly.

 

The law there requires a certain % of work to be carried out on a product to enable it to be labelled 'Made in Germany' and obviously there is enough assemby in the X1 to warrant it. It doesn't mean that the individual components of the camera are actually manufactured in Germany.

 

Minolta used to provide Leica with complete lenses, which they would do a certain amount of work to in terms of testing, tolerances etc., enough for them to also label them 'Made in Germany'. The 35/70 R f3.5 is a particular example - there are versions of the very same lens some 'Made in Japan' and some 'Made in Germany'. On the German version Leica reworked the barrel so that it didn't rotate as it zoomed, unlike the Japanese version.

 

You do not know that for sure, just internet rumors. For what its worth, parts of the M is not made in Germany either.

 

Do you own or have used an X1? The bottom label specifically states "Made in Germany". Without the quotation marks.

 

Leica company is run by liars. or I am a liar.

 

Get your facts right.

 

Frankly, like I said I dont give a hoot where it is made, as long as it delivers.

 

It is just some posters that talk like:

 

[phancj]

Apologies. Yes, I do own an X1 and have had it since February. I just screwed off the hand grip and saw the "made in Germany" sticker on the battery door.

 

There are actually many things that I love about the camera, but there are probably more things that I don't, and am on the brink of putting it up for sale.

 

By the way, take it easy. There is a needless agression running through many of your posts. Remember it's only camera gear that we're only discussing.

 

Sorry if it sounds aggressive, its the normal way I post, may be gets across differently.

 

Especially if I am typing in between my work.

 

I have no real inclination to any brand but must admit the X1 is the one I like most since I ever owned a film camera god knows when maybe almost 30 years ago.

 

And I do appreciate and like to drop in on posts, especially when they make sense, not that I am saying any of mine does.

 

Its the needless bashing in unrelated threads that sometimes "automatically" triggers an appropriate response from me, and I do admit sometimes my response is grossly disproportionate.

 

I treat all these as casual banter, not attacks. Even if temper flares up sometimes, end of the day, casual exchanges in the name of discovery. Whatever that we can discover haha.

 

I hope you find your "dream" camera, but it'll never happen. Always a better one coming along haha, thats part of the joy, deciding when to give up the old, in with the new.

[andybarton]

OK. That's enough personal attacks, thanks.

The origins of the X1 are well documented in threads on this forum and elsewhere.

Any more personal attacks in this thread and it will be closed for the good of the forum.