Guest Ron (Netherlands) Posted September 6, 2010 Share #1 Posted September 6, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Wandering through some old Beatles stuff at Youtube, I came across the below film....nice to see how the photog is working his way around there with a Viso (II?) attached to his camera and probably some 90mm lens? here's the film: YouTube - The Beatles - Yesterday (Live in Germany) (HQ/HD) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 6, 2010 Posted September 6, 2010 Hi Guest Ron (Netherlands), Take a look here Beatles shot with a VISO. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
luigi bertolotti Posted September 7, 2010 Share #2 Posted September 7, 2010 Nicely found, Ron !!! But I suppose the lens is not a 90... the front part seems to protrude not few inches/cm from the photog's hand... too much for, say, a Summicron 90 in short mount; neither, I'd say, is a 135... no Elmar/Hektor (chrome only), uneven the Tele Elmarit (same consideration made for the 90); so... if I had to bet, I'd propose a Telyt 200 to take the Fab Four's faces' expressions... from the picture, I even seem to spot something "white" on the barrel, that is not the photog's hand... maybe the chrome f stop ring of the Telyt 200 f4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted September 7, 2010 Share #3 Posted September 7, 2010 I did not watch the video before, and did now: from 00:50 to 01:15 about the photographer is fully taken in his action to take on the Leica, adjusting it, focusing, shooting etc... very interesting view !!! He seems very quick and well accustomed to handle the combo... maybe was a pro reporter; anyway, my idea that the lens is a 200 is confirmed by the video: long - black with chrome fittings... my only doubt is that it looks "too slim for the Telyt 200 f4"... but can be the frames' size/proportions... unless it is some 3rd party tele for Viso... at that times they weren't rare, I think: a German photographer could have had, for instance, some Schneider in the 180/200 range with a "slim" 5,5 aperture (there were some lens like this, I seem to remember) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harryzet Posted September 7, 2010 Share #4 Posted September 7, 2010 the photographer is didi zill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hiles Posted September 7, 2010 Share #5 Posted September 7, 2010 The lens could be the older 200 f4.5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted September 7, 2010 Share #6 Posted September 7, 2010 The lens could be the older 200 f4.5 Hum... the size fits... not so the chrome ring that is clearly displayed; btw, the photog has another Leica M body at his neck, with a "normal" lens Harryzet : who is/was didi zill ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harryzet Posted September 7, 2010 Share #7 Posted September 7, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) the best german pop- and rockphotographer. just google him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ron (Netherlands) Posted September 7, 2010 Share #8 Posted September 7, 2010 Hum... the size fits... not so the chrome ring that is clearly displayed; btw, the photog has another Leica M body at his neck, with a "normal" lens Harryzet : who is/was didi zill ? Indeed Luigi, the photog is carrying another Leica as can be seen clearly in the below picture. Looking again at this picture I also vote for the Telyt 200. Harryzet: according to Wiki, Dieter (Didi) Zill went into photography as of 1969... although he must have been a big Beatles fan himself, singing their songs in German.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted September 7, 2010 Share #9 Posted September 7, 2010 Yes Ron: your screenshot says Telyt 200 f4, with OUBIO and hood extended; the Viso... I'd bet for a II Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ron (Netherlands) Posted September 7, 2010 Share #10 Posted September 7, 2010 Yes Ron: your screenshot says Telyt 200 f4, with OUBIO and hood extended; the Viso... I'd bet for a II Also true...Interesting, there is also a color film of this same event. I bet we can see this same photog here at work as from 0.18 (you have to look very carefully at the left of the big drum - it is only a very small piece in the film -, and view that part of the film several times. If you look carefully you can even see him carrying the second camera). Here you can find the film: .......of course there were many photogs at this event thus could somebody else.... YouTube - The Beatles LIVE at Circus Krone 1966 [HQ] COLOR Munich Germany Would be interesting to find the photos he shot at this event. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted September 8, 2010 Share #11 Posted September 8, 2010 Indeed Luigi, the photog is carrying another Leica as can be seen clearly in the below picture. Looking again at this picture I also vote for the Telyt 200. Intriguing image... ... about the second camera... 1) It is a chrome Leica M, clearly 2) Apparently, NO selftimer lever (frame lever clearly visible) 3) The chrome bottom plate looks someway "too high"... Leicavit-style... 1+2+3 = Leica MP ? (discontinued in 1958, still on daily pro use in 1966 ? Can be , with Leicas... ) Or, more trivially, a M2 no selftimer version ? (or, even, a very early M3 ?) Moreover... this is uncertain, but the Viewfinder window looks someway "protruding" over the front of the body... which could suggest a goggle unit : this would lead to a 35mm onto a no 35 mm framed body (M3/MP) , but the lens looks black... chrome goggles on a black lens is almost impossible... pity the video changes view just when didi zill seems to take in his hands just this second body... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted September 8, 2010 Share #12 Posted September 8, 2010 Hello Everybody, I would say the II not IIa w/ 2d version 400/5. The 4 element version 1956-67. Best Regards, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted September 9, 2010 Share #13 Posted September 9, 2010 Hello Everybody, I would say the II not IIa w/ 2d version 400/5. The 4 element version 1956-67. Best Regards, Michael 400 ? Not SO big I'd say... and the 400 has that huge black collar... I have one, and seems to me impossible to handle it so quickly has it looks in the video... (Courtesy of friend JC Braconi - from Summilux.net) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/130626-beatles-shot-with-a-viso/?do=findComment&comment=1432902'>More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted September 9, 2010 Share #14 Posted September 9, 2010 Hello Luigi, That's the one. A few points: This lens, as with its predecessor, had a head which could be removed from its original mount after which it could be used w/ a varirety of focussing systems. Not simply the one it came with shown in JC's photo. The Beatles photos we are looking @ themselves are taken w/ a long lens. Possibly 400 or longer. This compresses distance. From us to the castle or from the front of the lens to the back. Our oblique telephoto view compresses the image so the lens appears shorter. Please look @ the lens hood. A match. Please look @ the bright ring behing the lens hood. Also a match. As is the size if we take into account the compressive effect of our photographer's tele. Our photographer: The person taking the pictures we are all looking @. The proportional thinness is due to exchanging the original large barrel & mount for something slimmer & more portable. Something available @ that time as an option which an active press/celebrity photographer would consider. Best Regards, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted September 9, 2010 Share #15 Posted September 9, 2010 Come on - as much more you guys have experience with Viso lenses - I have to doubt the 400mm. Which photographer in his good mind would use a 400mm with what appears to be about 3m distance, except shooting details of nostril hair? A 135mm lens is already plenty up close for catching details. A 200mm lens at that distance gives already very much detail - like in only cropped faces. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted September 9, 2010 Share #16 Posted September 9, 2010 I agree ... 400mm seems much too long for the setting. The lens looks much more like the 200mm shown on these pages: CAPACLUB 에 오신 것을 환영합니다! Cameras Downunder Gallery - Leica Cameras & Leica Copies/Leica-MD. photo 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted September 9, 2010 Share #17 Posted September 9, 2010 Well, friends... this question of 200 or 400 seems really a hot issue...... but I see on the Net that Didi Zill is still alive and active, and even has a "request info" section in his site ! : it should be fine (and a lot funny) to pose him directly the question... after all they were only 44 years ago, and a Telyt 400 is difficult to be forgotten when one has handled it in such environments ... who wants to try ? I don't speak a word in German... his site hasn't an English version, so I suppose it should be better to use his native idiom. If none of us is a good German-writer, tell me : I'll make a try... after all, the worst case can be I get no answer... Michael name sounds German... but doesn't detail this in his profile..., Ron is Dutch and can be a good candidate too... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted September 9, 2010 Share #18 Posted September 9, 2010 Hello Everybody, I think writing to Didi Zill is a good idea BUT first I would like to say something: WHOOPS. I looked @ the pictures again and altho what I wrote sounds perfectly reasonable to me I think I was wrong. As I look again I think this is a 200/4. Lighting @ the scene and/or model variation within the production cycle accounting for the anomalies I saw in the lens in the picture. The narrow angle of the V made by the fingers & thumb of the photographer's left hand supporting the lens in the picture from the front and the shortness of the distance from the chrome aperture ring to the return lever of the Visoflex II in the picture from the side are what led me to the conclusion that my earlier observations had led to an inaccurate assumption. I like to say 5 people can sit in the same chair and look @ the same apple and see 5 different things. Here I would say 1 person saw a bathtub. No negative aspersions (ie: bathtubs) being cast @ any of the lenses involved. Sorry Guys. BTW: I think writing to Didi Zill is a good Idea. If I wrote I don't think many people would like what we would get back given my ability to write in German. I'm sure he could add quite a bit to our knowledge of entertainment photography and the World of that time beyond the specifics of this lens/Viso/etc. Given he is aphotographer who will be talking to other photographers who it will be clear to him like him + what he did he may enjoy talking to us since he won't have to translate Photogrphic to either German or Enlish but he can just speak. BTW: If he spent significant time photographing The Beatles, possibly The (Shudder) Rolling Stones and so forth he most likely understands English so whomever writes could probably do alright writing to him in English if no-one feels their German is up to par. Best Regards, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ron (Netherlands) Posted September 9, 2010 Share #19 Posted September 9, 2010 Well, friends... this question of 200 or 400 seems really a hot issue...... but I see on the Net that Didi Zill is still alive and active, and even has a "request info" section in his site ! : it should be fine (and a lot funny) to pose him directly the question... after all they were only 44 years ago, and a Telyt 400 is difficult to be forgotten when one has handled it in such environments ... who wants to try ? I don't speak a word in German... his site hasn't an English version, so I suppose it should be better to use his native idiom. If none of us is a good German-writer, tell me : I'll make a try... after all, the worst case can be I get no answer...Michael name sounds German... but doesn't detail this in his profile..., Ron is Dutch and can be a good candidate too... Hello Luigi, good idea, I would sure like to try. Where did you find his "request info"? Already found it ! and put some questions in 'German' in the boxes. I also put a link to this website in his mailbox. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted September 9, 2010 Share #20 Posted September 9, 2010 Hello Luigi, good idea, I would sure like to try. Where did you find his "request info"? Didi Zill -Photography "kontakt-impressum" opens a mail session Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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