h00ligan Posted August 4, 2010 Share #1 Posted August 4, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) I mentioned this in another thread, but tonight I was bugged by the 2.8..I really wish it was at least 2 or 1.8. Maybe for the next one. The high iso performance is good, but next low light food shoot I will be taking a different camera, probably a 7d and 1.8 lens(=or better high iso in my exp with faster lenses)..not that I'm a pro or anything, I guess we always want our cameras to see in the dark, thing is..I don't think it was that dark(nighttime with 5 lightbulbs total indoors), spoiled by faster lenses on other systems. Id say more than anything else the lack of real IS and the max ap of 2.8 are my largest criticisms(both mitigated by the price to be honest). So here it is, a complaint thread about x1 that isn't about autofocus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JanCderidder Posted August 4, 2010 Share #2 Posted August 4, 2010 2.8 is absolutely fine for me. The camera would actually get bigger or have to use some "internal" lens adaptation software Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted August 4, 2010 Author Share #3 Posted August 4, 2010 Maybe I'm cranky tonight, new invisalign trays and lack of sleep , but how are you all hand holding low light with the x1? Any tricks I'm missing? I ended up going to 1/15 and shooting in burst to try and ensure good focus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanCderidder Posted August 4, 2010 Share #4 Posted August 4, 2010 Not sure if the X1 is "the" camera for shooting at 1/8th in Burst mode and ensuring sharpness at the same time. Normal shooting at 1/15th I have achieved with good sharpness by using the neckstrap, tightening it around the neck therefore using it as a stabilization device, this works 90% of the time I would say. At 1/8th it becomes a bit more difficult, but some shots do turn out nicely. A tripod might be a good solution, I have 2 a very lightweight carbon thing by Giotto which retracts to 1.50mtr and does its job well, and a table pod which is very usable and transportable. I use the tripod only indoors when I know I have to shoot historical interiors and such (dark churches, castles etc). I don't carry it around with me all the time.. I would say try the neckstrap method, it works well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted August 4, 2010 Author Share #5 Posted August 4, 2010 1.8 aperture,not ss. fwiw.Thanks for the reply. I will hook up the neck strap tomorrow, been slacking on that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted August 4, 2010 Share #6 Posted August 4, 2010 2.8 is absolutely fine for me. The camera would actually get bigger or have to use some "internal" lens adaptation software There used to be faster lenses in the full format film days, including on Leica's CM with a f2.4, without being bigger. Fuji had a 28mm f1.9 on a tiny film camera. Then there are pancakes with f1.7 and f2.0 respectively from Panasonic and Samsung for their digital EVIL cameras. So why would it have to be bigger with digital and Leica? And if the X1 was slightly bigger, because of included handgrip, VF and faster lens, maybe buyers wouldn't mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted August 4, 2010 Share #7 Posted August 4, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) I mentioned this in another thread, but tonight I was bugged by the 2.8..I really wish it was at least 2 or 1.8. Maybe for the next one. The high iso performance is good, but next low light food shoot I will be taking a different camera, ......) Edward, you are making life difficult for yourself. For food shots, why not take a tripod. Even small compact cameras work better in low light on a tripod, provided circumstances permit their use. A pro would hardly shoot such demanding subjects hand-held, even in good lighting conditions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted August 4, 2010 Author Share #8 Posted August 4, 2010 Thanks, could you recommend something small and light? Do those table top tripods work well? I'll have a look around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidhunternyc Posted August 4, 2010 Share #9 Posted August 4, 2010 Yes, I am interested in a small table top tripod as well. Any photos and links would be helpful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanCderidder Posted August 4, 2010 Share #10 Posted August 4, 2010 There used to be faster lenses in the full format film days, including on Leica's CM with a f2.4, without being bigger. Fuji had a 28mm f1.9 on a tiny film camera. Then there are pancakes with f1.7 and f2.0 respectively from Panasonic and Samsung for their digital EVIL cameras. So why would it have to be bigger with digital and Leica? And if the X1 was slightly bigger, because of included handgrip, VF and faster lens, maybe buyers wouldn't mind. Don't know about the Fuji or the CM (both film I would guess) but the Evil pancakes are definitely "software controlled" ..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanCderidder Posted August 4, 2010 Share #11 Posted August 4, 2010 Novoflex mini tripod ... quite happy with it actually ... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/127678-anyone-else-wish-the-lens-was-faster/?do=findComment&comment=1396547'>More sharing options...
prk60091 Posted August 4, 2010 Share #12 Posted August 4, 2010 Thanks, could you recommend something small and light? Do those table top tripods work well? I'll have a look around. i use this Amazon.com: Joby GP1-D1EN Gorillapod Flexible Tripod (Grey): Camera & Photo it works! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted August 4, 2010 Share #13 Posted August 4, 2010 Why not an X1 with a Summilux or a Noktilux? We shouldn't talk about the price ticket of course. This would be useful to get a selective focus provision. Not primary to get more light, because sensors are getting better and better. Perhaps the X8 or X9? Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
h00ligan Posted August 4, 2010 Author Share #14 Posted August 4, 2010 Thanks Jan and Laz. I'll look into them! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest badbob Posted August 4, 2010 Share #15 Posted August 4, 2010 I have a couple different monopods that help a lot. I keep those in the car along with a gorillapod, which I rarely use. I'd recommend a monopod that folds up small, 18 inches or less, but has enough weight to help stabilize the camera. Monopods are also easier to carry on a shoulder strap than most tripods. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dopheus Posted August 4, 2010 Share #16 Posted August 4, 2010 Novoflex mini tripod ... quite happy with it actually... I have the same Tripod but I think the head ist awful. I bought a Benro B-0 (the lightest head of this series) to use it with the "Novoflex Mini Tripod". This works perfect. I use a campera plate made by RRS for lenses. But I would prefer to get a plate made for the X1 directly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB W Posted August 5, 2010 Share #17 Posted August 5, 2010 I have a couple different monopods that help a lot. I keep those in the car along with a gorillapod, which I rarely use. I'd recommend a monopod that folds up small, 18 inches or less, but has enough weight to help stabilize the camera. Monopods are also easier to carry on a shoulder strap than most tripods. Just did a search to see if anyone had discussed the idea of using a monopod or not. I'd like something that is lightweight and easy to carry - monopod or tripod but of a good height for someone who is about 5' 9" to use. Since I often have my dog with me while I'm walking, I figured a monopod might be the easiest and could double as a coyote defender. I'm sort of kidding about the coyotes though our town in Westchester County, NY, had two coyote attacks on children this summer. Very strange and I am not at all a vigilante about these displaced animals. Any suggestions as to something of an appropriate height? And then there is the question of "heads" which I know very little about, though I think a ball head is the thing to go for? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barjohn Posted August 5, 2010 Share #18 Posted August 5, 2010 You could get a NEX and use it's handheld low light mode. You get incredible 6400 ISO shots at a shutter speed that is very acceptable. I just shot some ISO 5000 at 1/250, f2.8 and they look like they were shot at ISO 400 or better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted August 5, 2010 Share #19 Posted August 5, 2010 You could get a NEX and use it's handheld low light mode. You get incredible 6400 ISO shots at a shutter speed that is very acceptable. I just shot some ISO 5000 at 1/250, f2.8 and they look like they were shot at ISO 400 or better. Any possibility of posting these pics? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted August 5, 2010 Share #20 Posted August 5, 2010 Why not an X1 with a Summilux or a Noktilux? We shouldn't talk about the price ticket of course. This would be useful to get a selective focus provision. Not primary to get more light, because sensors are getting better and better. Perhaps the X8 or X9? Jan Why not just buy an M8/9 instead? I'd hate to have to throw a fixed mount Noctilux in the bin when the camera packs up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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