pop Posted July 3, 2010 Share #41 Posted July 3, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) "Binding". Thanks god someone brought that up. Although, I have to admit, I still have some misgivings when applying for a non-binding entry in a waiting list. The reason for my misgivings is that the situation is asymmetrical. While I - the customer - can opt out at any point in time, the dealer will not be able to do so. Therefore, I would not willingly bother a number of dealers to incur the (although modest) cost of entering me in their lists, while fully aware in advance that I will cancel (n-1) of my entries. There might be a connection between the fact that Bill objects to that kind of behavior and the observation that nowhere has the art of queueing for goods and services reached such a high standard than in Greater Britain. It springs also to mind that several organisations have applied more modern queueing theories. In the post offiices in my country, for instance, you are given a numbered token. All desks draw their numbers from the same pool. In other words, this is a n-server-to-1-queue situation. It helps relieve the existential problem that I always, invaryingly, end up in the queue where the cash runs out of paper, the elderly customers drops his pennies, the foreigner just directions to the nearest loo or the irate customer wants to tell the management how to properly conduct its business. Now, that would be a model for up-to-date queueing for M9's. For the M10 may I suggest a sweepstake? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 3, 2010 Posted July 3, 2010 Hi pop, Take a look here When it rains, it pours!. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
rob_x2004 Posted July 3, 2010 Share #42 Posted July 3, 2010 Out of interest...what the eck is a "leica ambassador"? THeres a few guys appending their signature with it. I alwayz wunted to b a fotografor and I bought a Leica now I was one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicashot Posted July 3, 2010 Share #43 Posted July 3, 2010 Obvious they are here to protect Leica's interests at all costs through ethical negotiation, at any cost of rudeness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted July 3, 2010 Share #44 Posted July 3, 2010 Obvious they are here to protect Leica's interests at all costs through ethical negotiation, at any cost of rudeness. What do you call non-ambassadors who appear to be out to issue negative statements about Leica, this forum and most other members, in a rude manner if at all possible? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
msa99 Posted July 3, 2010 Share #45 Posted July 3, 2010 Bill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicashot Posted July 3, 2010 Share #46 Posted July 3, 2010 What do you call non-ambassadors who appear to be out to issue negative statements about Leica, this forum and most other members, in a rude manner if at all possible? By the sounds of it, that'd be you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraz Posted July 3, 2010 Share #47 Posted July 3, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm genuinely interested to note that those who have commented and expressed an alternate, and in some cases, extreme viewpoint to my own are almost exclusively resident in the US. I am not sure what to make of that, but I do find it curious. Perhaps it is a cultural divide thing. Regards, Bill It all makes sense now. It was never about the ethics or Leica. It has always been about an English gentleman being frustrated by the looming birthday of the greatest country in the world Happy early 4th of July, to my American friends. May we learn to conduct ourselves in a more ethical manner in future. Oh, and, USA, USA, USA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym911 Posted July 3, 2010 Share #48 Posted July 3, 2010 Stan enjoy your camera...if your dealers cannot supply you then that's their & Leica issue not yours. I also was on a waiting list and could have had one in February..but changed my mind and cancelled , am pleased I did by the way, M8.2 is ok for my needs. get snapping andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted July 3, 2010 Share #49 Posted July 3, 2010 Edit: I'm genuinely interested to note that those who have commented and expressed an alternate, and in some cases, extreme viewpoint to my own are almost exclusively resident in the US. I am not sure what to make of that, but I do find it curious. Perhaps it is a cultural divide thing. At least two Canadian by my count. Perhaps a continental divide thing. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted July 3, 2010 Share #50 Posted July 3, 2010 Well, you know, us Americans are all just a bunch of savages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted July 3, 2010 Share #51 Posted July 3, 2010 Stan enjoy your camera...if your dealers cannot supply you then that's their & Leica issue not yours. I also was on a waiting list and could have had one in February..but changed my mind and cancelled , am pleased I did by the way, M8.2 is ok for my needs. get snapping andy Andy, My wife is from Dusseldorf. Been there several times. Nice city. BTW I have some images in the "Star Is Born" exhibit now opening at the Wolfgang in Essen. Supposed to be a great show of the best of music photography. Unfortunately I won't be making it over this year (my wife and child will though). And I agree - the onus is on Leica to deliver, and if dealers feel that maintaining a waiting list that people may or may not honor then it is up to them to insist on a guarantee from the customer, not the other way around. Best, Charles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted July 3, 2010 Share #52 Posted July 3, 2010 ambassador Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/125157-when-it-rains-it-pours/?do=findComment&comment=1369039'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 3, 2010 Share #53 Posted July 3, 2010 Nice - the old Hillman Minx reincarnation - something they are quite good at in India.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicoleica Posted July 3, 2010 Share #54 Posted July 3, 2010 ambassador Good one! :D:D:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted July 3, 2010 Share #55 Posted July 3, 2010 Well, you know, us Americans are all just a bunch of savages. All the rogues of the then civilized countries. Look what you've done to all that nice tea, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 3, 2010 Share #56 Posted July 3, 2010 Good one! :D:D I'd thought you'd prefer a Hillman Imp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicoleica Posted July 3, 2010 Share #57 Posted July 3, 2010 I'd thought you'd prefer a Hillman Imp Ouch! p.s. Actually the Ambassador is a re-incarnation of a Morris Oxford III. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted July 3, 2010 Share #58 Posted July 3, 2010 ......... having no handbrake is the best part Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 3, 2010 Share #59 Posted July 3, 2010 What do you call non-ambassadors who appear to be out to issue negative statements about Leica, this forum and most other members, in a rude manner if at all possible? anti-embassadors? Let's just out-do them. Why, Leicas are so expensive that when you carry a Leica out of the country, that country's economy drops. Leicas are so quiet and unobtrusive that the Government made them put a big fat red dot on the front, and word is that they might have to be licensed as if they were silenced weapons. But they aren't that intrusive in the dark - something about the Leica Glow. My ex-wife was a gold-digger. I divorced her. She let me keep the house and she got the Leicas. It's really hard to shoot pictures with the house. I redid the front so it has two windows upstairs and a porthole for a front door. ** Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunil Posted July 4, 2010 Share #60 Posted July 4, 2010 Thank you for proving my point. It would appear that you are one of those who regard ethics as negotiable. . Edit: I'm genuinely interested to note that those who have commented and expressed an alternate, and in some cases, extreme viewpoint to my own are almost exclusively resident in the US. I am not sure what to make of that, but I do find it curious. Perhaps it is a cultural divide thing. Regards, Bill Seems like you are jumping to some extreme conclusions here with very limited data on hand. That is not very ethical. Actually, when I placed myself on a wait list with a dealer here in the good ole USA, I asked him if there was any issue if I did not buy from him. His response was an unequivocal no since he said he had enough demand and people on the list who would buy the camera. Hence he did not need a deposit. What is wrong then with Zlatkob placing an order with multiple dealers, none of whom care whether he buys from them or not as someone will. How is that unethical? Who exactly is the injured party? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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