nyckylim Posted June 7, 2010 Share #1 Posted June 7, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi Guys, I'm not new to photography. However, I'm new to Leica cameras. I'm tired of carrying a DSLR around. So basically what i'm looking for is something more compact. In any case whereby I need my DSLR, i can then bring it out. However, for the regular outings, I would prefer to have something more practical. One thing I'm very confused is because Leica does not have a "Compare" feature on their website. Therefore, I'm not really sure which camera is suitable for me. Can anyone explain the difference between the following models as I can't really find a "short-and-sweet" description for me to compare these cameras side by side. 1) M9 2) V-Lux 20 3) V-Lux 1 4) X1 5) D-Lux 4 6) C-Lux 3 Pardon my ignorance. But it would be great if someone could differentiate these models for me. Price is not really an issue if need be. However, what i want is good quality pictures and compact-ablily. Lastly, is there a difference between D-Lux 4 and Lumix LX3 ? Or are they the same thing ? Thank you all so much for you help. Regards, Nycky Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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andybarton Posted June 7, 2010 Share #2 Posted June 7, 2010 Welcome to the forum. The differences between an M9 and a C-Lux 3 are vast, both in concept, operation, quality of output, flexibility, price, etc etc. Q1. Do you want or need a camera with interchangeable lenses? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted June 7, 2010 Share #3 Posted June 7, 2010 Indeed, welcome. Q2. Do you want to spend £400 or £4000? Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyckylim Posted June 7, 2010 Author Share #4 Posted June 7, 2010 Hi All, Thanks for you reply. I'm actually looking for one that is compact. Does not necessarily need to have interchangeable lens. I wouldn't mind spending between that amount. More importantly is to find something that suit what I need. I actually shortlisted to the following: 1) D-Lux 4 2) V-Lux 20 3) X1 4) C-Lux 3 I like the look of the X1. However, correct me if i'm wrong, the camera does not have a zoom function. Also, it does not record videos. Am i right ? If so, kindly advice me on the difference between the 3 differen "LUXes" Thank you, Nycky Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 7, 2010 Share #5 Posted June 7, 2010 X1= top quality fixed lens compact DLux4 Excellent small sensor compact with zoom function CLux3 Good ladies-purse type compact zoom Vlux 20 Small sensor large zoom camera Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted June 7, 2010 Share #6 Posted June 7, 2010 Sounds to me like the D-Lux 4 is what you're looking for. About £500. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beewee Posted June 7, 2010 Share #7 Posted June 7, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Not sure about the C-Lux but Panasonic has the exact same cameras as the V-Lux 20 and D-Lux 4 which is a lot cheaper. The only difference is the exterior styling (missing red dot) and possibly some minor firmware differences but the hardware (lens, circuit board, sensor, etc...). Leica V-Lux 20 $700 (B&H) --> Panasonic ZS-7 $306 (B&H) Leica D-Lux 4 $800 (B&H) --> Panasonic DMC-LX3 $395 (B&H) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted June 7, 2010 Share #8 Posted June 7, 2010 Not true, in a number of important areas. The other differences (and advantages for Leica) are the bundled software and the warranty period. Also for the D-Lux 4 the handgrip (which is, IMO, essential) is Leica only. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyckylim Posted June 7, 2010 Author Share #9 Posted June 7, 2010 Hi All, Actually I'm still very captivated by the X1. However, can anyone verify if its able to capture video ? I've realized that the C-lux doesnt have aperture & shutter priority. Therefore taking it out of the list. Also, the v-lux 20 widest aperture is only F3.3. Therefore also removing it from my list. So, all that is remaining is the X1 and D-lux 4. Someone please point me to the right direction. Should i abandon the ability to zoom for a nicer design ? Also, does the X1 capture better picture quality than the D-lux 4 ? Last question, my friend has a lumix lx3, and i noticed that there is quite alot of distortion at its widest angle. Does the d-lux 4 have the same problem ? also, is the d-lux 4 really similar to the lx3 ? With Regards Nycky Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted June 7, 2010 Share #10 Posted June 7, 2010 The X1 does not record video. It's a proper camera... The lens on the LX3 and the D-Lux 4 will be the same, but Leica _may_ do something in their firmware to help with distortion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 7, 2010 Share #11 Posted June 7, 2010 If I want to capture video I tend to use a video camera. I know some DSLRs and all cell phones offer the option, and there are surely some professional applications, but in general I think it a bit of a gimmick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 7, 2010 Share #12 Posted June 7, 2010 Not true, in a number of important areas. The other differences (and advantages for Leica) are the bundled software and the warranty period. Also for the D-Lux 4 the handgrip (which is, IMO, essential) is Leica only. Regards, Bill You forgot to mention resale value. The Leica Digilux2 still goes for over 750$, whilst its Panasonic twin will barely make 300$. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted June 7, 2010 Share #13 Posted June 7, 2010 Now that you have, with our help, narrowed your choices down to two, I would suggest that you a) study the specification of each on the Leica website and go to a dealer and try them out. You will get plenty of subjective opinions here about which is best but there is no substitute for personal experience. In a nutshell, the D-Lux 4 is a top-of-the-range small-sensor zoom compact and the X1 is a top-of-the-range mid-sensor fixed lens compact. Both are capable of exceptional results. It now comes down to your personal needs, wants and preferences. I for example have a D-Lux 4, I would not bother with an X1 - you may feel differently. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted June 7, 2010 Share #14 Posted June 7, 2010 If I want to capture video I tend to use a video camera. I know some DSLRs and all cell phones offer the option, and there are surely some professional applications, but in general I think it a bit of a gimmick. Fox to Air House Episode Shot with Canon 5D Mark II Tonight Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyckylim Posted June 7, 2010 Author Share #15 Posted June 7, 2010 I'm leaning alot more towards the X1 because of its looks. However, am still considering. Meanwhile, forumers, keep the comments coming in ! Thanks alot ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted June 7, 2010 Share #16 Posted June 7, 2010 I'd consider performance as a criterion before looks, if I were you... Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauribix Posted June 7, 2010 Share #17 Posted June 7, 2010 Last question, my friend has a lumix lx3, and i noticed that there is quite alot of distortion at its widest angle. Does the d-lux 4 have the same problem ? also, is the d-lux 4 really similar to the lx3 ? hi, the advantage of the Leica towards the Panasonic is in fact that the software (not the in-camera only but the Capture One too) superbly corrects the lens' distortion. And that's evident IMHO. What you see from the Lumix is far from what you can get from the Leica. I personally found differences in higher ISO noise (the Leica is less noisy as well). Anyway, welcome to the Forum, anf if you ask... Well, I'd personally go for the X1 as I'm used to fixed focal lenght... Even if I'd consider a used M8 for something more than the X1's price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyckylim Posted June 8, 2010 Author Share #18 Posted June 8, 2010 pardon my typo, i'm leaning more towards the x1 for its look and larger sensor. I do alot of indoor flash-less shoots. Therefore, am confused if a wider aperture is what i'm looking for (dlux4) or a larger sensor (x1). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyckylim Posted June 8, 2010 Author Share #19 Posted June 8, 2010 another question is, i read up that the X1 has a crop factor of 1/1.5x while the Dlux 4 has a crop factor of 1/1.6x. is there really much difference between 1/0.1x ? regards nycky Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted June 8, 2010 Share #20 Posted June 8, 2010 They are completely different chips with completely different lenses. Ignore "crop factor" as it's irrelevant in this context, and only useful when comparing a camera against 35mm film. Which will not be the case here. If you do a lot of shooting indoors with no flash, chose a lens with a wider aperture or one with a better high ISO performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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