jacksparrow Posted May 19, 2010 Share #1 Posted May 19, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) LOT 115 M2 black paint camera from original black paint batch in mint condition, completely restored, cap Condition: A- Year: 1965 Serial no. 1130115 EUR 2000-2400 (Estimate) I'm thinking about bidding, just would like to know if you guys think the estimated price range is reasonable. I believe is a bit on the high side, but I'm not too much into old Leicas. https://www.westlicht-auction.com/index.php?id=185055&acat=185055&offset=1&_ssl=off thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted May 19, 2010 Posted May 19, 2010 Hi jacksparrow, Take a look here How much would this be?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jaapv Posted May 19, 2010 Share #2 Posted May 19, 2010 Unfortunately it has been restored, which makes the price a bit of a lottery. For a good, unrestored example I would expect the end price to exceed the estimate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted May 19, 2010 Share #3 Posted May 19, 2010 Agreed, many were hard used and have non original bits speed dials and levers, they will be 1500-1700 GBP 'Repaints' even with correct serial number 1000 GBP or less collectors wont touch. If you want a BP M2 to use send a beaten up chrome one to CRR Luton, it comes back ilke new but black, still less then 1000 GBP. If you bought this example and scuffed it a collector would probably still detect it was a repaint, it is real difficult to match the patina of the Leitz paint, e.g. bubbles, flakes & wear... Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabears Posted May 19, 2010 Share #4 Posted May 19, 2010 The value of restored/repainted etc. is very low. A collector is not interested in such these items. Noone knows who/when/why/where the camera was redone- If you think to use it,it's for sure a good buy . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted May 19, 2010 Share #5 Posted May 19, 2010 "Restored" is seldom a nice word for collectors, unless there is a documentation about the work made... Lot 114 is better in this sense; and, for M2 lovers, Lot 112 is also an interesting combo (expecially for its Summaron "the real M2 version" ) P.S. : I'll make a bid, but for all another item... (not the M3 prototype...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksparrow Posted May 19, 2010 Author Share #6 Posted May 19, 2010 If I could I'd go for the 110, but I'm not looking for a collector's item anyway, and I'm planning to use the camera, so 115 looks really nice... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 20, 2010 Share #7 Posted May 20, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) "Restored" is seldom a nice word for collectors, unless there is a documentation about the work made... Lot 114 is better in this sense; and, for M2 lovers, Lot 112 is also an interesting combo (expecially for its Summaron "the real M2 version" ) P.S. : I'll make a bid, but for all another item... (not the M3 prototype...) 133? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted May 21, 2010 Share #8 Posted May 21, 2010 133? Too much money... ... and btw I personally don't love so much militarias...:roughly half the base price of 133... but prefer to keep it secret till auction's end... (but there is a LUF member who can guess... ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted May 21, 2010 Share #9 Posted May 21, 2010 If I could I'd go for the 110, but I'm not looking for a collector's item anyway, and I'm planning to use the camera, so 115 looks really nice... It is, by sure,and M2 is really a pleasant camera to use (and was my first BM Leica, so I have a special feeling for... ... Maybe for I'm getting old...... but I start to think with nostalgy to the times of me, my old BMW twin bike , on the roads with M2 and the 35+90 "light set"...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted May 21, 2010 Share #10 Posted May 21, 2010 If I could I'd go for the 110, but I'm not looking for a collector's item anyway, and I'm planning to use the camera, so 115 looks really nice... If you are going to use it get something really cheap, it only needs to work. Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted May 21, 2010 Share #11 Posted May 21, 2010 Agree, a nice user will cost a quarter of the price, spend the rest on lenses and film! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted May 22, 2010 Share #12 Posted May 22, 2010 THIS (same auction) is an item I do not remember to have ever seen for sale : Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Puts says they built 1000 of them (and this one should be the first of the single batch made)... has anyone ever tried it ? Was it in the regular pricelist at the times ? At 1/5 the prospected price I could be interested into... Curios it was declared as dedicated to the TE 90.... I suspect its price was not so lower than a TE135... Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Puts says they built 1000 of them (and this one should be the first of the single batch made)... has anyone ever tried it ? Was it in the regular pricelist at the times ? At 1/5 the prospected price I could be interested into... Curios it was declared as dedicated to the TE 90.... I suspect its price was not so lower than a TE135... ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/121408-how-much-would-this-be/?do=findComment&comment=1331838'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 23, 2010 Share #13 Posted May 23, 2010 I would love to have one. But the price... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJohnE Posted May 23, 2010 Share #14 Posted May 23, 2010 Jaap, Just a quicky. I've no wish to start a new thread about this. I can't remember where I saw a (very off-topic) remark from you about the R3 batteries. They are very ordinary readily-available SR 44 or ..76.. 1.5 volt types. Not the old mercury batteries. John. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted May 23, 2010 Share #15 Posted May 23, 2010 THIS (same auction) is an item I do not remember to have ever seen for sale :[ATTACH]203948[/ATTACH] Puts says they built 1000 of them (and this one should be the first of the single batch made)... has anyone ever tried it ? Was it in the regular pricelist at the times ? At 1/5 the prospected price I could be interested into... Curios it was declared as dedicated to the TE 90.... I suspect its price was not so lower than a TE135... Hi I was only aware they planned on building them not that they had made a batch, might never have been marketed, I suspect it is going to be >>> dosh. MIght have been poor optically, especially on TE, and stopped part way through. Nice box though. Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted May 23, 2010 Share #16 Posted May 23, 2010 Hi I was only aware they planned on building them not that they had made a batch, might never have been marketed, I suspect it is going to be >>> dosh. MIght have been poor optically, especially on TE, and stopped part way through. Nice box though. Noel Indeed... Put's list details the allocated numbers for a planned batch, this doesn't mean that all were built : I think if they were REALLY 1000 they would appear often on the market ! Tele Elmarit 180 2,8 for Viso was made in about 350 items or so and is regularly offered, more than once a year, I've noticed. Given that the item for sale is the first s/n of the "theorical" batch... maybe they built indeed VERY few of them. Extenders for Leicas have never been good... I had one years ago (Kenko optic, assembled by an Italian lab) and was less than discrete... contrast was "eaten away"... at the moment Newoldcamera of Italy has a Komura 2x for sale... the kit is very nice, with a original, dedicated case, and a "2x" finder (dual scale), but the performances probably bad: price is rather good, btw... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted May 24, 2010 Share #17 Posted May 24, 2010 Hi Yes the circa 1800 off BP M2 turn up real regular, seen two last year, both for sale, at quite reasonable prices. But the extender might have been 'an internal staff sale'. I used to work in a white goods company and they did large preproduction runs and sold off any excess internally cheap, When you needed a spare part years later they would post you one for free. Probably real expensive extender, nice box. Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 28, 2010 Share #18 Posted May 28, 2010 Indeed... Put's list details the allocated numbers for a planned batch, this doesn't mean that all were built : I think if they were REALLY 1000 they would appear often on the market ! Tele Elmarit 180 2,8 for Viso was made in about 350 items or so and is regularly offered, more than once a year, I've noticed.Given that the item for sale is the first s/n of the "theorical" batch... maybe they built indeed VERY few of them. Extenders for Leicas have never been good... I had one years ago (Kenko optic, assembled by an Italian lab) and was less than discrete... contrast was "eaten away"... at the moment Newoldcamera of Italy has a Komura 2x for sale... the kit is very nice, with a original, dedicated case, and a "2x" finder (dual scale), but the performances probably bad: price is rather good, btw... Crazy set, that Komura.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted May 28, 2010 Share #19 Posted May 28, 2010 Crazy set, that Komura.. If you like, I can easily go there : 1,5 hour from home, and I am often next to for my work (like today, indeed...), and test it with my M8/TE135: if satisfactory, let's toss a coin to decide who takes it... (I had already the idea to do this... but today forgot to take with me the M8) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted May 30, 2010 Share #20 Posted May 30, 2010 THIS (same auction) is an item I do not remember to have ever seen for sale :[ATTACH]203948[/ATTACH] Puts says they built 1000 of them (and this one should be the first of the single batch made)... has anyone ever tried it ? Was it in the regular pricelist at the times ? At 1/5 the prospected price I could be interested into... Curios it was declared as dedicated to the TE 90.... I suspect its price was not so lower than a TE135... EUR 10.000 (Hammer price excl. Premium) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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